Can a shopkeeper refuse to give change?

waamo

peachyprice wrote: »

It's not a fixed price if he accepts a £10 note for it but refuses to give the £9 change after you have handed your money over. The £1 ice cream becomes a £10 ice cream, whereas if you pay with card it will always be a £1 ice cream.

No, it's still a £1 ice cream. Use your £10 and buy 10 of them. It's a £1 each.

Merely not giving change does not alter the price of the goods.

peachyprice

waamo wrote: »

No, it's still a £1 ice cream. Use your £10 and buy 10 of them. It's a £1 each.

Merely not giving change does not alter the price of the goods.

So you think it's legal for a shopkeeper to force you to buy more products that you don't want now? Really?

Sorry, I can't engage with someone who would rather spout tripe than admit they are wrong. I'm out.

unholyangel

waamo wrote: »

If it is made clear enough that the terms of sale mean no change is given and you agree to that then yes they could.

A sale is ultimately a contract. If both parties agree to a contract why shouldn't it be allowed?

Because consumers have laws protecting them from such practices, thats why.

Ive detailed maybe half a dozen different ways the law doesn't support what you & others have said (unfair terms, misleading advertising, unfair trading practices, contract formation, payment directive etc).

Not that all of them apply at once, but its a case of if 1 then A applies, if 2 then B applies etc.

waamo

unholyangel wrote: »

Because consumers have laws protecting them from such practices, thats why.

Ive detailed maybe half a dozen different ways the law doesn't support what you & others have said (unfair terms, misleading advertising, unfair trading practices, contract formation, payment directive etc).

Not that all of them apply at once, but its a case of if 1 then A applies, if 2 then B applies etc.

Now that is a well reasoned good argument.

Surely though a consumer is able to enter into a contract where the terms and conditions are made clear? For example many bus companies don't give change. You put your money into a machine and the driver issues a ticket.

Are you saying shops are different or that it's a different principle?

Tallaght

Some bus companies ask for exact payments as no change given.

waamo

Tallaght wrote: »

Some bus companies ask for exact payments as no change given.

That's my point exactly.

Another example. A shopkeeper sticks a sign up saying "Till broken. Sorry no change given"

You walk in wanting a 90p chocolate. You proffer a £1 coin. Shopkeeper points to the sign and says "sorry mate I can't give change, the tills bust".

Can you not smile and go "it's ok mate, I will have it anyway"?

Or does he have to refuse the sale?

Rainbowgirl84

unholyangel wrote: »

Because consumers have laws protecting them from such practices, thats why.

Ive detailed maybe half a dozen different ways the law doesn't support what you & others have said (unfair terms, misleading advertising, unfair trading practices, contract formation, payment directive etc).

Not that all of them apply at once, but its a case of if 1 then A applies, if 2 then B applies etc.

Paisley car park machines give no change...legal?

Deastons

unholyangel wrote: »

As for the vending question...I've never had any problems with vending machines or parking machines not giving change. Theres usually an attendant of sorts who has access to the machine or who can do it manually.

This just reads as "I never have this problem so I don't care about your question."

Deastons

peachyprice wrote: »

So you think it's legal for a shopkeeper to force you to buy more products that you don't want now? Really?

Sorry, I can't engage with someone who would rather spout tripe than admit they are wrong. I'm out.

Well, the parking meter can force me to buy more hours parking than I need which, to me, seems wrong.

If it was not possible to supply change, then I'd understand it. But many machines in other situations do give change, there just seems to be this unwritten rule that parking machines can keep any money that goes in there.

Deastons

waamo wrote: »

That's my point exactly.

Another example. A shopkeeper sticks a sign up saying "Till broken. Sorry no change given"

You walk in wanting a 90p chocolate. You proffer a £1 coin. Shopkeeper points to the sign and says "sorry mate I can't give change, the tills bust".

Can you not smile and go "it's ok mate, I will have it anyway"?

Or does he have to refuse the sale?

So in my case, when I went to pay in the car park and I saw the small label on the machine saying "No change given. £3.50 minimum card payment." I had no choice to smile and walk away - I'd already used the service.

To me, that seems unfair. I should surely be made aware of such payment conditions before I choose to park and enter into the contract.