Holiday entitlement part time workers

RADDERS

When I was at work o worked Monday to Thursday 6 hours a day.
On a bank holiday week I sometimes would work the Friday so as not to use up all my holidays.
Could you possibly work Thursday or the Friday of a bank holiday week.

Cheddar123

Thank you coolcait that is exactly what I was getting at I am being penalised in a way for working Monday's (this year anyway as l know other years l may not be).. I could not work a bank holiday even if l wanted to as the offices close those days. It would appear the bank holidays are worked out over 5 days ie if I booked 3 hours I would have enough to cover the 7 bank holidays but unfortunately l have to quote 5 hours. System seems unfair to me and calculation should take into account number of days worked in the week. Next time I'll get a job working Tues Wed Thu. !!!128513;

Tom99

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]You are not being penalised in the total number of days leave you get, pay or total hours worked.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The only penalty is that you are forced to take BH Mondays as leave whereas if you worked Tuesday, Wed, Thurs, it would be your choice when you took that leave.[/FONT]

getmore4less

The split of regular and BH is employers choice the law is you get a single allowance.

They choose to close Mondays you have to take holidays from your total allowance


They could just as easily split the allowance 10days Mondays only and make everyone take extra Mondays of.

You will be extra popular if they did that.

Cheddar123

As quoted previously by coolcait

All staff get 'x' days of leave, exclusive of public holidays.

Full time staff also get the full amount of time needed to cover the seven days' public holidays they normally work.

The OP gets 21 hours to cover the public holidays which fall on the days he/she normally works. In 2018, that's everything but Good Friday - so six days x 5 hours = 30 hours.

The OP's employer has allocated nine hours less than the amount the OP needs to cover the bank holidays. Therefore, the OP has to take that deficit out of his/her general leave allowance.

Full-time colleagues don't have to do that. Part-time colleagues who don't work Mondays don't have to do that. The OP is disadvantaged compared to those colleagues.

Getmore4less l really don't think you can see where l am coming from but I know the system and how this is calculated but it doesn't mean that I believe it is fair if it means the part time person ends up using their normal holiday entitlement for bank holidays. See above explanation from coolcat.

Thank you all for your feedback and explaining that my employer was correct in what they explained to me.

RADDERS

But if you didn’t work Mondays you would have more holiday hours for bank holidays than needed, would you give the company the hours back ?
You also need to remember that the company could tell you when you have to take every days holiday and leave none to your choice, remember factory shut downs.

Cheddar123

Radders that is exactly what happens one of my colleagues works Weds Thurs Fri and he actually gets more holidays because of the bh entitlement. With regards to being told when holidays are that wouldn't bother me ie school holidays or factory shutdowns.

getmore4less

Cheddar123 wrote: »

Radders that is exactly what happens one of my colleagues works Weds Thurs Fri and he actually gets more holidays because of the bh entitlement. With regards to being told when holidays are that wouldn't bother me ie school holidays or factory shutdowns.

Not just school hols and shutdowns, they can say we are not busy next Monday(we decided to close) it will use a days holiday.

That is all they are doing with BH just in advance BH allowances are a complete red herring when it comes to holidays.


Rather than keep saying it is not fair come up with a proposal that is fair(in your head)

coolcait

getmore4less wrote: »

Not just school hols and shutdowns, they can say we are not busy next Monday(we decided to close) it will use a days holiday.

That is all they are doing with BH just in advance BH allowances are a complete red herring when it comes to holidays.

Rather than keep saying it is not fair come up with a proposal that is fair(in your head)

Not quite.

The way the OP describes the calculation of the bank holiday entitlement, it is a separate element of the leave allowance.

Bringing us back to the points made earlier.

RADDERS highlighted another aspect of the way that bank holiday entitlements lead to some workers being disadvantaged compared to others - part-time workers who don't work Mondays will get a higher leave allocation overall than their full-time colleagues.

It's all perfectly 'legal' of course - which is why we see posts which refer to other parts of employment law, but miss the point being made by the OP.

The way public holiday entitlement for part-time workers is calculated means that some part-time workers are disadvantaged compared to their full-time colleagues, and even more disadvantaged compared to part-time colleagues who don't work Mondays. If those part-time colleagues don't work Fridays either, they're even better off in terms of leave allowances.

Hence the popularity of the Tue/Wed/Thurs working pattern!

OP, the fact remains you are being disadvantaged. But your employer isn't going to listen to any of your arguments about the way the bank holiday calculations disadvantage you. They'll hide behind the fact that "this is how the calculations are done".

Your best bet, as you say, is to get a job working Tue/Wed/Thurs. If you have to work within a system which disadvantages people, and no one gives a toss about changing it, go for a working pattern which lets you come out on the right side of the disadvantaging!

Tom99

coolcait wrote: »

RADDERS highlighted another aspect of the way that bank holiday entitlements lead to some workers being disadvantaged compared to others - part-time workers who don't work Mondays will get a higher leave allocation overall than their full-time colleagues.

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I think people working Mon/Tue/Wed will get exactly the same overall leave allocation as people working Tues/Wed/Thurs. 102 hrs altogether.

[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The only disadvantage is that people working Mon/Tue/Wed are forced to take the BH Mon as leave.

[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]A fair way might be to allow people who work Mon/Tue/Wed to work Tue/Wed/Thurs on the bank holiday Monday weeks.[/FONT]