Holiday entitlement part time workers

Cheddar123

Quick question I work part time and have been advised of my holiday entitlement in hours which also includes pro rata bank holidays. I work Monday Tuesday and Wednesday 5 hours per day so l am entitled to 81 hours plus 21 hours bank holidays so 102 hours altogether. I have been told that if it is a bank holiday I need to take 5 hours off my holiday entitlement which would mean as there are 7 bank holidays l would not be left with 81 hours but only 67 hours. However if I were to take 3 hours off the figure for a bank holiday then this would be correct in giving me my 81 hours. Am l l correct in saying I shoukd be putting my bank holidays down as 3 hours not 5. My manager says no but I can't get my head round it. As you can see I am new to part time work having works full time for 30 years.

Tom99

You are right you should deduct 3 hr.

Assuming a full week is 7hr * 5 days = 35 Hr
You work 15/35 = 43% of a full week
If a full bank holiday is 7 hrs then 43% = 3 hr

Edit: The above is wrong see post below.

getmore4less

if you normally work 5 hours and don't work that day as it is taken as holiday(BH are not special) then you deduct 5hrs off the holiday allowance.

I work Monday Tuesday and Wednesday 5 hours per day

3 days 15hrs a week you get protara 3/5 of a full timer.

Statutory holiday is 28 days/5.6 weeks you should get 16.8 days/84hrs.

if full timers get more then you should get prorata what they get.

so l am entitled to 81 hours plus 21 hours bank holidays so 102 hours

That suggest the full timers get 27days + 7days BH?
(81/5hr)*(5/3) + (21/5)*(5/3)


it is just bad luck that you work more BH doing the Mondays, if you worked Tue,Wed,Thur you would use less and have more hours to allocate to other days off.


You won't be deducting for the BH you don't normally work which this year will be just be today(GF), other years it could be upto 3 days(GF,XM,BD)

getmore4less

Tom99 wrote: »

You are right you should deduct 3 hr.

Assuming a full week is 7hr * 5 days = 35 Hr
You work 15/35 = 43% of a full week
If a full bank holiday is 7 hrs then 43% = 3 hr

That is not how holidays are done.
They work 3/5 of a week so are due 3/5 of a full timers allowance.

BH are no different to any other day off

By your method if they took 3 days off which for them is a full week they would only get paid for 9 hrs where they should get paid for 15.

paddedjohn

Based on the minimum entitlement a full time worker 5 days a week is entitled to 5.6 weeks inc bank hols so 28 days.
You work 3 days a week so are entitled to 3/5ths of a full timer so 16.8 days in total.
You work 5hr days so are entitled to 16.8 x 5= 84hrs in total so you are getting a lot more than the legal minimum and anything over that is contractual.

Tom99

getmore4less wrote: »

That is not how holidays are done.
They work 3/5 of a week so are due 3/5 of a full timers allowance.

BH are no different to any other day off

By your method if they took 3 days off which for them is a full week they would only get paid for 9 hrs where they should get paid for 15.

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]On thinking about it I think you are right that if the bank holiday is a Monday when the OP would normally work then they have used up a total of 5 hrs holiday pay.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But what happens if Thursday and Friday are the bank holiday. The OP will have worked their full week Mon-Wed and not get any benefit from the two days bank holiday.[/FONT]

paddedjohn

Tom99 wrote: »

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]On thinking about it I think you are right that if the bank holiday is a Monday when the OP would normally work then they have used up a total of 5 hrs holiday pay.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But what happens if Thursday and Friday are the bank holiday. The OP will have worked their full week Mon-Wed and not get any benefit from the two days bank holiday.[/FONT]

If the bank holiday falls on a non working day then they are off anyway without having to use holiday.

tece

In our organisation a combined pro rated entitlement is calculated for annual leave and bank holidays.
Each time a bank holiday falls on a working day the hours you should have worked that day is deducted from the combined entitled. This is because the worker has benefitted from that number of hours off work.
If a bank holiday falls on a non working day then there is no deduction from the combined entitlement.

jobbingmusician

tece wrote: »

In our organisation a combined pro rated entitlement is calculated for annual leave and bank holidays.
Each time a bank holiday falls on a working day the hours you should have worked that day is deducted from the combined entitled. This is because the worker has benefitted from that number of hours off work.
If a bank holiday falls on a non working day then there is no deduction from the combined entitlement.

....and that is the correct way to do it, in my opinion.....

getmore4less

Tom99 wrote: »

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]On thinking about it I think you are right that if the bank holiday is a Monday when the OP would normally work then they have used up a total of 5 hrs holiday pay.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But what happens if Thursday and Friday are the bank holiday. The OP will have worked their full week Mon-Wed and not get any benefit from the two days bank holiday.[/FONT]

BH are not special.

any of the BH allocation us not used for BH then they get used at other times.

Cheddar123

Thank you all for your replies. I did originally ask to work Tues Weds and Thurs but they couldn't accommodate that. Looks like I'm stuck with being penalised for working Mondays.