Negotiating a low job offer

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

k3lvc wrote: »

But you don't seem to accept there isn't £45k available for you otherwise they'd have made the offer already. I'm seeing it as they hadn't found their perfect candidate so were prepared to take a punt on you at a lower level and see how you performed.

Unless you've a glut of offers on the table I'd go back to them a final time accepting the £34k with a promised review to £xx in 6 months subject to achievement of agreed objectives.

In the intervening period you continue to look for something which pays as per your expectations and no doubt they'll continue to look for their perfect candidate whilst they evaluate you.

He has a job that pays more than this. I don't know why the default position people seem to jump to on this board is that people are unemployed. More people go into jobs from other jobs than from no jobs at all.

westbridgfordguy

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

He has a job that pays more than this. I don't know why the default position people seem to jump to on this board is that people are unemployed. More people go into jobs from other jobs than from no jobs at all.

Thank you for clarifying. The one thing I do agree with the OP with is that they did see me as a gamble and was very uncomfortable about jumping ship for this reason.
I also found it disconcerting that the company told me they had benchmarked the salary for the role and was 32 to 35k, then they subsequently advertise the role at 45k.

NeilCr

westbridgfordguy wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying. The one thing I do agree with the OP with is that they did see me as a gamble and was very uncomfortable about jumping ship for this reason.
I also found it disconcerting that the company told me they had benchmarked the salary for the role and was 32 to 35k, then they subsequently advertise the role at 45k.

Is it exactly the same role?

I know when I was in HR (many moons ago I accept) we did sometimes interview for a job and (please don't take this the wrong way) the calibre of the candidates wasn't great. After a discussion they found some more money and beefed the job description up to see if they could attract someone a bit better.

This was also built on a decision that re advertising at the same level wouldn't get anywhere

westbridgfordguy

NeilCr wrote: »

Is it exactly the same role?

I know when I was in HR (many moons ago I accept) we did sometimes interview for a job and (please don't take this the wrong way) the calibre of the candidates wasn't great. After a discussion they found some more money and beefed the job description up to see if they could attract someone a bit better.

This was also built on a decision that re advertising at the same level wouldn't get anywhere

No offense taken, it is the same job title and spec the only difference I can see is in the original advert it stated "talented" manager and in the subsequent advert "highly experienced". The working pattern and hours etc exactly the same.

I find it quite worrying that they offered me the job even though they weren't obviously convinced and also have me on a 6 month probation which they stated adds to this picture - they offered me the job at a pay less then I was earning unless they disbelieved what I currently am on, then readvertised at a much higher rate before they had come back to me regards my counter offer not very professional in my opinion.

Savvy_Sue

Six months probation is perfectly normal, and as they can get rid of you for almost any reason within the first two years makes the length of probation irrelevant.

westbridgfordguy

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Six months probation is perfectly normal, and as they can get rid of you for almost any reason within the first two years makes the length of probation irrelevant.

I can only give you my experience in 30 years of employment and say that I have never had more than a 3 month probation period in any of these roles, perhaps I have been fortunate in that respect.

I agree about the 2 year rule but your rights are diminished further still within, in my opinion, an extended probationary period.

Savvy_Sue

westbridgfordguy wrote: »

I can only give you my experience in 30 years of employment and say that I have never had more than a 3 month probation period in any of these roles, perhaps I have been fortunate in that respect.

I agree about the 2 year rule but your rights are diminished further still within, in my opinion, an extended probationary period.

Well, we can agree to differ on that. We have a six month probationary period, and all it means is you get a letter saying you've passed. The reality is that we can still get rid if we need to (we never have, btw).

westbridgfordguy

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Well, we can agree to differ on that. We have a six month probationary period, and all it means is you get a letter saying you've passed. The reality is that we can still get rid if we need to (we never have, btw).

I guess this is all academic now given that they've chosen to readvertise the same role, my only interest in this now is seeing whether they do have the courtesy and come back and tell me as advised the feedback regards my counter proposal.

Seeing as I've already found this out through a third party then this again is a moot point but am curious now whether they will have the decency to do this given the job readvertisement was placed on Monday and I chased them again today without reply.

westbridgfordguy

Quick update, they've come back this morning with an improved off of £36k p/a plus a 4k bonus if I meet agreed targets within the first year - this is their final offer - not sure how to proceed now tbh as there hasn't been any mention of holiday entitlement, overtime etc. is this now a good time to broach this subject before accepting the offer verbal or wait until they offer the contract in writing then find out there's something in there which doesn't fit?

Given as I've been chasing them all this time do you think it would be acceptable for me to say I need over Easter weekend to consider it?

TIA