Negotiating a low job offer

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

westbridgfordguy wrote: »

Given that conversation was on Friday and it is now halfway through Tuesday I am assuming that they are now going round offering the role to cheaper candidates before they come back to me to say that they can't meet my pay expectations.

Obviously nobody knows what they are going to do, but that amount of time elapsed means nothing at all. It could easily go a week before anyone even discusses it.

Gavin83

ReadingTim wrote: »

Errrr...pretty much every profit-making company is a 'company like that' - it's called capitalism:

Employers want the maximum work for the minimum pay.

Employees want the maximum pay for the minimum work.

I'm well aware of how capitalism works. However the other benefit of capitalism is that he is free to take his skills elsewhere and present them to the highest bidder.

Besides, I'd personally rather work for a company who felt I was worth the extra money than one who felt ripped off.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Gavin83 wrote: »

I'm well aware of how capitalism works. However the other benefit of capitalism is that he is free to take his skills elsewhere and present them to the highest bidder.

Besides, I'd personally rather work for a company who felt I was worth the extra money than one who felt ripped off.

I have enough experience of how false a picture interviews can give that I have absolutely no problem with any company having no trust in me at that stage. I prefer to judge them by the way they behave after I have started working for them.

westbridgfordguy

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Obviously nobody knows what they are going to do, but that amount of time elapsed means nothing at all. It could easily go a week before anyone even discusses it.

The whole situation has gone extremely bizarre now; the HR manager has not got back to me about any further updates regards my counter offer which was made on Friday and now the company has deemed to advertise the same role using an agency rather then Indeed - I know this as I have just phoned the agency and it is the same role in the same working location.

When I enquired about the pay the agency recruiter stated £45k, the job offer I received when I tried to negotiate was £34k and the range they stated was 32k to 35k, the company said at the time they were unable to go to 40k, does this mean they were deliberately trying to low ball me?

Where do I stand now, I still have a verbal job offer on the table?

westbridgfordguy

ReadingTim wrote: »

I would suggest it's quite unwise on the part of a company to offer the same job to more than one person at a time, in case they both accept. Having then to rescind the offer equals serious egg on face.

They're probably trying to decide whether there's the scope to offer you more, or whether they're happy to lose you, and go through the same negotiation process with their 2nd choice candidate. And 3rd, and so on.

Where do I stand now I know they are advertising the same role using an agency, I still have a verbal job offer from them?

I note that the job spec has now been changed from "talented" manufacturing manager to "highly experienced", am assuming that they didn't think I was worth the extra money or wanted to up skill the job specification, if the agency are correct then there was plenty of scope to offer more money.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

As far as where you stand goes, you turned down their offer for £34K. They are under no obligation to come back to you with another offer, but it would be polite for them to let you know they won't be if the HR person implied they would.

Are you interested in the job for £34K? The fact that they have £45K available of course doesn't mean they have £45K for you.

westbridgfordguy

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

As far as where you stand goes, you turned down their offer for £34K. They are under no obligation to come back to you with another offer, but it would be polite for them to let you know they won't be if the HR person implied they would.

Are you interested in the job for £34K?

I had an email back from HR stating that they've presented my feedback to the Directors and are pushing for a response by no later then today. I would consider it to be polite that they came back and said they wouldn't be in a position to review this offer, seeing as they are now using an agency then I would assume this is a fait accompli.

I wasn't interested in the role for 34K as I felt it undervalued myself, given that they now have stretched the range to another 10k then the budget was never in question. Now I am in possession of this information then it further reinforces my opinion.

k3lvc

westbridgfordguy wrote: »

I wasn't interested in the role for 34K as I felt it undervalued myself, given that they now have stretched the range to another 10k then the budget was never in question. Now I am in possession of this information then it further reinforces my opinion.

But you don't seem to accept there isn't £45k available for you otherwise they'd have made the offer already. I'm seeing it as they hadn't found their perfect candidate so were prepared to take a punt on you at a lower level and see how you performed.

Unless you've a glut of offers on the table I'd go back to them a final time accepting the £34k with a promised review to £xx in 6 months subject to achievement of agreed objectives.

In the intervening period you continue to look for something which pays as per your expectations and no doubt they'll continue to look for their perfect candidate whilst they evaluate you.

westbridgfordguy

k3lvc wrote: »

But you don't seem to accept there isn't £45k available for you otherwise they'd have made the offer already. I'm seeing it as they hadn't found their perfect candidate so were prepared to take a punt on you at a lower level and see how you performed.

Unless you've a glut of offers on the table I'd go back to them a final time accepting the £34k with a promised review to £xx in 6 months subject to achievement of agreed objectives.

In the intervening period you continue to look for something which pays as per your expectations and no doubt they'll continue to look for their perfect candidate whilst they evaluate you.

Given I tend to agree with yourself I have no desire to jump ship from a perfectly acceptable company to a company who views myself as a gamble, this spoke volumes in the job offer if they had wanted me then the offer would have reflected this.

westbridgfordguy

Gavin83 wrote: »

Maybe while you're their preferred candidate they don't think there's enough difference between you and the 2nd placed candidate to pay you much more. Therefore they're seeing if they'll accept a lower offer before coming back to you with more money. Up to you if you'd want to work for a company like this or not.

The decision has already been made for me, I wouldnt want to work for a firm whom quoted one salary range and said they couldnt offer more as it would offend a potential peer doing the same job if they paid me more money then to them to running an advert 2 days later with an increased range of 10k.