TV Licensing withholding refund until set date

Cornucopia

tenchy wrote: »

These scumbags are issuing T&Cs ? When you pay your licence can you not reject the T&Cs ? Something like, "here's my licence fee and I reject all your T&Cs. If you do not accept my rejection of your T&Cs THEN DO NOT CASH THE CHEQUE".

As I said, the legislation gives them the authority to set the Ts & Cs of a TV Licence.

If you want to reject their Ts & Cs, you just need to not watch TV broadcasts or use iPlayer.

HWW

House_Martin wrote: »

Are you advising the poster to lie HWW ? What is the point in that ?
Capita will be constantly writing to the poster or visiting if the new property does not hold a TV licence.
Who in their right mind wants hassle like that for a meagre 40 p a day licence fee which is the bargain of the century IMO

Here we go again - "The standard 40p a day BBC public relations propaganda" - not:
"£150 a year, for a load of BBC self indulgent Bias, repeated rubbish & overpay, for under talented, greedy morons"


A junk mail a month & 4 Goon visits in 45 years, are no great problem..... Honestly :rotfl:

House_Martin

Cornucopia wrote: »

It's not an offence to lie to Capita - they are just ordinary people working for an ordinary company after all.

Sadly, HWW's advice would no longer be effective.

You can see how if it did work, if would be a good way to throw TVL off the trail of a legally Licence-free address and deny them your personal info, none of which is illegal. Given the unlawful nature of the TVL approach, whatever people do to undermine them (within the law) is fine by me.

If you have something constructive to add that will address the OP's questions, then please go ahead. Otherwise, I'd ask you not to drag the thread off-topic with your unique take on the TVL debacle.

So its OK for YOU to post words like "TVL and the law are not great bedfellows " and "TV Licensing (part of the BBC ) are a law unto themselves " and you considerer words like that that to be on topic and "constructive "
I get the veiled threat by the way.
I think you are exceeding your BG powers personally on TV licensing subjects

Cornucopia

House_Martin wrote: »

So its OK for YOU to post words like "TVL and the law are not great bedfellows " and "TV Licensing (part of the BBC ) are a law unto themselves " and you considerer words like that that to be on topic and "constructive "

Since the question was about the legal standing of an aspect of TVL policy, and the OP later narrowed the scope to focus in on the law, I'm going to say: yes.

There would appear to be no legislation concerning the day to day operations of TV Licensing, and none specifically governing refunds. I cannot make there be legislation when none exists, and to pretend otherwise would be dishonest and unhelpful.

The broader picture is that failure to have empowering legislation for activities that are in scope of the Human Rights Act (such as home searches) puts those activities in breach of the law. There is also a question of the BBC's ongoing unwillingness to state its legal framework, which is also a breach. If you would like to discuss the official documents that support those assertions, I would be happy to do so, in a separate thread.

I think you are exceeding your BG powers personally on TV subjects

BGs are not constrained from either stating their own opinions on their board topic areas, or from engaging in discussion. TV Licensing presents a particular issue (though not dissimilar to the Private Parking fiasco or Benefit Reform) in that their legal standing and approach has demonstrable flaws. In providing advice to MSEers with questions about TV Licensing matters, it would be wrong of me/us to presume that the TVL view of the world is correct just for the sake of propriety, when it so patently isn't, and to do so would not be giving enquirers the best advice.

The key thing about that advice is that it should remain within the law, and it does. I'm sorry if you have issues with that (either you don't agree with the law as it stands, or you dispute my reading of it), but we have to have some parameters here and those are the ones that seem sensible and responsible to me.

There was no veiled threat. This part of the forum is for factual discussion of practical questions and observations about a particular topic, not for rants (especially ones that detract from the purpose of providing good quality advice and information). There is no place here for ranting at, or about, other FMs who are acting within the law and seeking legitimate advice on how to go about it.

HWW

I suppose the best attitude to have, is not to get involved with BBC/TVL in the first place, then no worries about getting refunds & stopping direct debits, once they have their greedy claws into a householder.


Provided they are of course LLF......

BigAnnieG

That escalated quickly...

Thanks all for your input. It's correct that I saw the house move as an opportune time to end the license, but am now wishing I had just cancelled it. I fear that if I go back to them now and tell them I'm no longer watching TV as of right now (which would be a lie) it would simply extend the process further. At least I do have in writing that a refund will be processed; I suppose I simply wondered if there were a way to get them to cough up earlier than they stated (seeing as a refund now would not be of detriment to them).

However, the above thread has shed light on the TVL being such a sticky issue for many, and I'm glad to see it's not just me who finds them tricky and deceitful! Hence, stopping the licence.

Thanks everyone for your input :-)

badmemory

You think TVL is bad. Just try the AA when no-one in the household is able to drive anymore. Absolutely no chance of a refund there. More than the license fee down the tubes.

HWW

House_Martin wrote: »

Absolutely terrible response, sorry rant.Why are you constantly "ranting " on about TVL working on the edge of the law ?
. Please bear in mind when you post your lies about unlawful TVL activities that one in seven Capita employees face an actual assault every year , just doing their lawful job, from people who "claim" to be "legally licence free ".

Cornucopia is speaking out, because The BBC, Capita & by complicity - the associated companies that work under the TVL Banner, are working right at the edge of the law.


It is obvious now, that you actually work a PR dept, associated with TVL - you have all the very standard one-liners EG, "40p a day" & more + defending the indefensible. Just stop & think of Savile's wanton abuse of children over decades, & the BBC doing nothing at all to stop him in all that time. I for one, could never work for a company, that had any association with the BBC, for that reason alone.


You keep on about Goons being assaulted - please link to exact documentary proof of that data, thank you.

House_Martin

HWW wrote: »

Cornucopia is speaking out, because The BBC, Capita & by complicity - the associated companies that work under the TVL Banner, are working right at the edge of the law.


It is obvious now, that you actually work a PR dept, associated with TVL - you have all the very standard one-liners EG, "40p a day" & more + defending the indefensible. Just stop & think of Savile's wanton abuse of children over decades, & the BBC doing nothing at all to stop him in all that time. I for one, could never work for a company, that had any association with the BBC, for that reason alone.


You keep on about Goons being assaulted - please link to exact documentary proof of that data, thank you.

Well I ve been physically assaulted, once, and verbally assaulted many times simply hand delivering TV licence reminders when working for G4S and now MDS
. I am labeled a "Goon " now judging by TVLR forums. They have been demonised by forum members on many threads and posts so much that we are up there with the hated Capita
Off topic, HWW bringing up Jimmy Saville but Cornucopia will not be rebuking YOU thats for sure as one of his foot soldiers .
I can t believe that you people have to keep digging up the dirt on Mr Saville anyway. Maybe its to salve your consciences.

Cornucopia

I'm closing this now before it gets even more out of hand.

The place for free-form "discussion" of the TV Licence is in the Discussion Time section, and not in every thread where someone asks a perfectly acceptable practical question.