clarification on PCN with blue badge

doggychops

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Still don't get what the BB has to do with anything. OP - you really need to be clearer to enable us to help.

For example, if there is a 30 minute parking limit, staying 2 hours with a BB is of no use whatsoever.

Point taken.

In all honesty without visiting the site myself, I am unclear as to what signage there is and how clear it is.
I will try and get there to see and ask if she actually used a disabled bay or in fact displayed her BB (she usually does)
As I mentioned before, I was hoping that because she has the use of a BB, it may be in her favour for the appeal. I recently tried to help a client get a councils parking fine scrubbed (I work in Mental Health) and the company didn't give a damn about any illness and said he still has to pay. So I guess I was grasping at straws a little.
Sorry for the confusion

Would you suggest to continue with the appeal in the 'normal' way without the mention of her BB and see how it goes?

Redx

it does no harm to add it into the mix at this stage , as long as nobody indicates who was driving

anybody could have been driving the vehicle and taking her out to the shops or to KFC

the PCN will tell her what the alleged infringement was , but pictures of the signage is also a good idea too

I was worried that the driver parked in a disabled bay for say 3 hours and didnt read the signage because they ASSUMED the 3 hour rule applies, whereas it does not apply on private land like KFC

I doubt that you or she have even bothered to read the booklet (you can doanload a pdf copy off the internet quite easily)

its a common mistake to make, as a BB holder myself and the EA2010 protects me I have realised this SINCE I joined here five years ago , so without this forum I would probably still be in cloud cuckoo land as regards the private parking issues

I warned asda about this some 18 months ago and didnt even have a parking ticket, but they were warned that if I receive one then a counter claim under the EA2010 would ensue if they had violated the law

asda gave my vehicle an exemption for all of their car parks after I provided a picture of the BB and gave them my VRM details too

forewarned can be forearmed

doggychops

I apologise for this but Is anyone able to suggest a wording of how to say a Blue badge was in use without naming the driver etc...

so sorry but I have hit a blank...

No worries if not, I'll try with a clearer head tomorrow, but thank you if someone could write a sentence that would work.

Coupon-mad

I recently tried to help a client get a councils parking fine scrubbed (I work in Mental Health) and the company didn't give a damn about any illness and said he still has to pay. So I guess I was grasping at straws a little.

A council PCN is often cancellable, with help from pepipoo, who win over 90% of cases on there. Not sure why you said ''the company'' didn't give a damn, unless you just mean you gave up after the first appeal stage and didn't even try the Council NTO stage appeal, or adjudication? First appeal stage is NOT when Council PCNs are won:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

With this one from the private firm, how long was the overstay then?

KeithP

doggychops wrote: »

I apologise for this but Is anyone able to suggest a wording of how to say a Blue badge was in use without naming the driver etc...

so sorry but I have hit a blank...

No worries if not, I'll try with a clearer head tomorrow, but thank you if someone could write a sentence that would work.

An occupant of the car was a blue badge holder.
Does not have to be the driver.
There are many blue badge holders that don't drive.

kryten3000

Redx wrote: »

as a retired BT engineer I can tell you that dialling codes mean nothing at all, you can easily rent a code in one part of the country that forwards the call to somewhere else, they used to be called OUT OF AREA EXCHANGE LINES , or OOAEL for short

With the advent of internet based telephony, it's trivially easy (and cheap) to set up phone numbers for any area code regardless of the phone system's physical location.
It's possible to call my office phone via several completely different numbers.

doggychops

KeithP wrote: »

An occupant of the car was a blue badge holder.
Does not have to be the driver.
There are many blue badge holders that don't drive.

So simple of course..
It had been a long day:undecided

doggychops

Coupon-mad wrote: »

A council PCN is often cancellable, with help from pepipoo, who win over 90% of cases on there. Not sure why you said ''the company'' didn't give a damn, unless you just mean you gave up after the first appeal stage and didn't even try the Council NTO stage appeal, or adjudication? First appeal stage is NOT when Council PCNs are won:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

With this one from the private firm, how long was the overstay then?

The client had two tickets. One for not displaying a ticket at all in a car park.
The other was on a road directly underneath a 'No Parking sign'
He said he parked by the sign because there were other cars parked there and he thought it was ok

Guys_Dad

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Can be, Guys Dad.

For example, on street, if there is a 30 minute free parking time limit, a BB holder can stay in that bay ''as long as they need''.

I read the BB handbook fairly recently, due to a relative I drive around sometimes.

That's on a street. This is a private car park. A BB is not a universal licence for every situation despite what many people might wish.

The BB scheme rules are here and in particular look at number 11.1re private car parks and 11.4 re your point on "as long as you need" which seems to disagree with you.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-blue-badge-scheme-rights-and-responsibilities-in-england/the-blue-badge-scheme-rights-and-responsibilities-in-england#where-can-i-park

Coupon-mad

11.4 On-street parking areas where all motorists can park for free but only for a limited time
Badge holders may park for free and generally without time limit. However, if signs show there is also a time limit for badge holders, you must comply with the time limit shown and display your parking clock set to show the quarter hour period when you arrived at the bay.

11.4 doesn't seem to disagree with me, it gives two types of signs. Don't know about you but I have never seen an on-street sign giving a stated free time for everyone else, then a stated (longer) free time for BB holders. None round here are like that; I was thinking of a local 30 minute area like the one you first described, where I know I can park ''as long as we need'' (unlimited), when I have the BB holding passenger with me.

Anyway, back to the OP's situation:

The client had two tickets. One for not displaying a ticket at all in a car park.
The other was on a road directly underneath a 'No Parking sign'
He said he parked by the sign because there were other cars parked there and he thought it was ok

Sorry to say, IMHO that driver needs to park more considerately. An average good driver would not park under a 'no parking' sign and nor would anyone assume they could blag free parking in a P&D car park, on private land. No-one should assume that a BB holder is poorer and less able to pay a fee than the rest of society, that's not what 'reasonable adjustments' for disabled people is about.

However, hopefully they will park more carefully in future and certainly won't pay the PPC, because two wrongs don't make a right. If people stopped paying these scum firms, they would curl up and die out.