Does community speed watch scheme work

almillar

But information from a sign should be obeyed, and that one told me I was not permitted to enter the bus lane. So I didn't.

You mis-understand my point. The sign was too far away for you to read. You could see a bus lane, but didn't know the hours. You should have started to plan to move out. You should not drive up to the sign, read it, THEN try to pull out. That caused YOU to inconvenience other road users. You were wrong. Would you have stopped to read the sign if necessary? Reverse if you missed it?

You're incorrect - I was not at fault at all.
Prior to the junction, a sign says lane 1 is going to become a bus lane, but it's only operation during certain hours, so my plan was to continue in lane 1/the bus lane.

Good, you had a plan. But it was the wrong plan. You're plan SHOULD have been to pull out, then once you establish the hours, you can pull back in. You're trying to be too clever, and your driving can't keep up with your brain. You did inconvenience others around you, which I hope you agree drivers shouldn't do.

So I had to alter my plan due to the confusing signage.

I understand. Think of it like this. You saw a 'bus lane' sign, as well as the markings on the road. Consider these 'primary signage'. ACT on them. The hours, which are smaller, harder to read, and closer to the 'hazard' is a 'secondary sign'. Don't drive up to these signs before acting - it's too late. You know the road for next time, you know not to use that bus lane, and hopefully, now, you will approach unknown bus lanes in a better way, and cause less trouble for yourself and other road users.

EmmyLou30

Back to the subject of the people with too much time on their hands and speed guns....I don't know a single person who takes them seriously. I know people who deliberately speed up whilst flipping them off and laughing and then chuck the stupid threatening letters in the bin, I have friends who just choose to mouth off as they drive past while still speeding....personally I carry on at whatever speed I was doing and have a little rant about how if they have that much time on their hands, maybe they'd like to actually help the community by volunteering for a charity of some sort. Waving a speed camera around in their shaky old hands is unlikely to result in an accurate read out which is why they can't do anything but send pointless letters as their 'proof' is totally unenforceable.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

EmmyLou30 wrote: »

Back to the subject of the people with too much time on their hands and speed guns....I don't know a single person who takes them seriously. I know people who deliberately speed up whilst flipping them off and laughing and then chuck the stupid threatening letters in the bin, I have friends who just choose to mouth off as they drive past while still speeding....personally I carry on at whatever speed I was doing and have a little rant about how if they have that much time on their hands, maybe they'd like to actually help the community by volunteering for a charity of some sort. Waving a speed camera around in their shaky old hands is unlikely to result in an accurate read out which is why they can't do anything but send pointless letters as their 'proof' is totally unenforceable.

That's not how they work though. If matey persists in deliberately abusing them, one day he'll find it is Plod and his hands ill not be so shakey.

Deastons

almillar wrote: »

You could see a bus lane

No I couldn't. There was a bus directly in front of me obscuring the sign and the bus lane until I was a matter of feet away from it.

almillar wrote: »

You're plan SHOULD have been to pull out, then once you establish the hours, you can pull back in.

Incorrect.

It's not worth arguing, but everything you say is wrong. The way I used the road was completely correct. The signage was incorrect and the motorcyclist's reaction was unnecessary.

George_Michael

Deastons wrote: »

No I couldn't. There was a bus directly in front of me obscuring the sign and the bus lane until I was a matter of feet away from it.

How close to the bus were you?

tho_2

Deastons wrote: »

Incorrect.

It's not worth arguing, but everything you say is wrong. The way I used the road was completely correct. The signage was incorrect and the motorcyclist's reaction was unnecessary.

You're right. It's not worth arguing because this post is quite clearly that you refuse to consider any other point or the possibility you may be in the wrong.

almillar

It's not worth arguing, but everything you say is wrong

If you were trying to end the discussion, that's a terrible way to do it!

I accept that it's hard to see around a bus. I hope that you'll drive differently next time on that road, considering you now know about the bus lane.

The signage was incorrect

What signage was incorrect?

You stopped the MC's progress, possibly suddenly. You shouldn't do that and you can expect *A* reaction, but we'll not argue about appropriate ones. I'm trying to help you avoid these incidents in the future.

And on the bus - if you were in an unfamiliar environment, perhaps you should back off so that you can see better - I'm not accusing you of tailgating or anything, but if you drove further back, you would see everything around you more easily.

AndyMc.....

EmmyLou30 wrote: »

Back to the subject of the people with too much time on their hands and speed guns....I don't know a single person who takes them seriously. I know people who deliberately speed up whilst flipping them off and laughing and then chuck the stupid threatening letters in the bin, I have friends who just choose to mouth off as they drive past while still speeding....personally I carry on at whatever speed I was doing and have a little rant about how if they have that much time on their hands, maybe they'd like to actually help the community by volunteering for a charity of some sort. Waving a speed camera around in their shaky old hands is unlikely to result in an accurate read out [which is why they can't do anything but send pointless letters as their 'proof' is totally unenforceable.

It’s evident you post in ignorance. However if you ever get done by one if and when they can give out tickets do let us know when the not guilty court case comes up.

Celia_Fogden

What are the risks of wrong identification of the vehicle? Do they photograph the numberplate and what evidence do they retain? I recently had a bad experience of this and wonder how it is supposed to work? Mistaken identity is a real cause for concern isn't it?

(I am back to the original topic of community spped watch, in case this wasn't clear.)

Car_54

Celia_Fogden wrote: »

What are the risks of wrong identification of the vehicle? Do they photograph the numberplate and what evidence do they retain? I recently had a bad experience of this and wonder how it is supposed to work? Mistaken identity is a real cause for concern isn't it?

(I am back to the original topic of community spped watch, in case this wasn't clear.)

The risk of misrecording may be slightly higher than with a speed camera, or a police officer who stops you at the time, but so what?



What's the worst that can happen? A gentle warning letter, probably from a location you've never visited, and never will. See post #6 above for the sequence of warnings.