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Parking Charge Notice in work car park
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I feel they;ll just come back and make a point of the map being distributed to all employees?
Please just adapt the defence where I posted that it was a perfect defence. All that needs adapting is the para #2 about the facts, and you are done.
Many PPC claims fail on signage, even if the car was out of a bay.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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thank you. i found the defence and started to adapt it, however i received a response back to my SARS email today and i'm a little worried about my defense...the claim is for 4 PCNS - one of them it isn't completely clear by the photos which bay i'm in, but the other 3 all include photos of my number plate with the bay number, and one of them even includes a map that shows that the bay is not assigned to mine or any particular company. should i just try and focus on signage for my defence or count my losses and try to get them to reduce the claim? at the moment it's over £800 and includes a court fee of £60 and legal fee of £70 which i understand is easy to drop as they shouldn't be adding these fees on?0
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it should be crystal clear which bays are covered by their signage and bay markings such that a driver is in no doubt whatsoever whose they are, so bay markings and signage are crucial
, as seen in this thread
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6004283/update-case-won-preparing-for-court-witness-statement-queries
yes use all of the ABUSE OF PROCESS paragraphs by coupon mad in the beamerguy thread to object to the spurious costs0 -
it should be crystal clear which bays are covered by their signage and bay markings such that a driver is in no doubt whatsoever whose they are, so bay markings and signage are crucial
the bay markings are clear but i would have to drive around the whole car park with one map in hand to figure out which one is ours as they were all pretty random and sporadic and the signage that is up doesn't make it clear which bays belong to who. i no longer work there but i'm pretty sure it was just generic signage about it being private parking and what the fines are etc.
will re-write my defence and post soon! thank you for your help0 -
i would have to drive around the whole car park with one map in hand to figure out which one is ours as they were all pretty random and sporadic and the signage that is up doesn't make it clear which bays belong to who.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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please let me know your thoughts on the below. i've taken the perfect defence post, other little bits i've seen in other defences and added in broad facts about my particular situation rather than making it too specific. i appreciate all feedback on what to add/ take out! thank you in advance!
IN THE COUNTY COURT
CLAIM No: xxxxxxxxxx
BETWEEN:
******(Claimant)
-and-
xxxxxxxxxxxx (Defendant)
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DEFENCE
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1. The Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle registration number xxxxxx on the material dates. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.
2. It is denied that any 'parking charges’ are owed and any debt is denied in its entirety because no keeper liability, no cause for action against the defendant. The claimant has failed to show locus standi, the defendant does not believe they have a right to bring an action against anyone. The Defendant was an employee in the business park and had a valid parking permit during her employment there.
3. Accordingly, it is denied that the driver breached any of the Claimant's purported contractual terms, whether express, implied, or by conduct as no enforceable contract offered at the time by claimant, no cause for action can have arisen.
4. The Claimant also stated in the Particulars of Claim that the claim is for ‘breaching terms and conditions in operation at the car park/ private land’. However, the claimant has failed to provide evidence of that agreement.
5. It is denied that the signs used by this claimant can have created a fair or transparent contract with a driver in any event hence incapable of binding the driver as the claimant failed to comply with International Parking Company Code of Practice ‘PART E Schedule 1 – Signage’.
6. Photos obtained following a subject access request to the claimant show zero evidence of signage pertaining to the restrictions and regulations of parking on the Landowners property. A photo of a map does not constitute a contractual agreement. Given this lack of clarity regarding how or where an employee is to park based on the Claimant's signage in the car park, no contract can be construed under the contra proferentem principle.
7. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that there are specific terms in its contract to bring an action on its own behalf. As a third party agent, the Claimant may not pursue any charge, unless specifically authorised by the principal. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant does not have the authority to issue charges on this land in their own name, and that they have no right to bring any action regarding this claim.
8. Costs on the claim - disproportionate and disingenuous
- CPR 44.3 (2) states: ''Where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the standard basis, the court will
(a) only allow costs which are proportionate to the matters in issue. Costs which are disproportionate in amount may be disallowed or reduced even if they were reasonably or necessarily incurred; and
(b) resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably and proportionately incurred or were reasonable and proportionate in amount in favour of the paying party.
9. Whilst quantified costs can be considered on a standard basis, this Claimant's purported costs are wholly disproportionate and do not stand up to scrutiny. In fact it is averred that the Claimant has not paid or incurred such damages/costs or 'legal fees' at all. Any debt collection letters were a standard feature of a low cost business model and are already counted within the parking charge itself.
10. The Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis case is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since that sum (£85 in Beavis) was held to already incorporate the minor costs of an automated private parking business model. There are no losses or damages caused by this business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that the alleged 'parking charge' itself is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover the cost of all letters.
11. Any purported 'legal costs' are also made up out of thin air. Given the fact that robo-claim solicitors and parking firms process tens of thousands of claims handled by an admin team or paralegals, the Defendant avers that no solicitor is likely to have supervised this current batch of cut & paste claims. The court is invited to note that no named Solicitor has signed the Particulars, in breach of Practice Direction 22, and rendering the statement of truth a nullity.
12. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA a Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration costs allegedly incurred by already remunerated administrative staff.
13. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 (POFA) makes it clear that the will of Parliament regarding parking on private land is that the only sum potentially able to be recovered is the sum in any compliant 'Notice to Keeper' (and the ceiling for a 'parking charge', as set by the Trade Bodies and the DVLA, is £100). This also depends upon the Claimant fully complying with the statute, including 'adequate notice' of the parking charge and prescribed documents served in time/with mandatory wording. It is submitted the claimant has failed on all counts and the Claimant is well aware their artificially inflated claim, as pleaded, constitutes double recovery.
14. Judges have disallowed all added parking firm 'costs' in County courts up and down the Country. In Claim number F0DP201T on 10th June 2019, District Judge Taylor sitting at the County Court at Southampton, echoed an earlier General Judgment or Order of DJ Grand, who on 21st February 2019 sitting at the Newport (IOW) County Court, had struck out a parking firm claim. One was a BPA member serial Claimant (Britannia, using BW Legal's robo-claim model) and one an IPC member serial Claimant (UKCPM, using Gladstones' robo-claim model) yet the Order was identical in striking out both claims without a hearing:
''IT IS ORDERED THAT The claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in ParkingEye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''
15. In summary, the Claimant's particulars disclose no legal basis for the sum claimed and it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action and no liability in law for any sum at all. The Claimant's vexatious conduct from the outset has been intimidating, misleading and indeed mendacious in terms of the added costs alleged.
16. There are several options available within the Courts' case management powers to prevent vexatious litigants pursuing a wide range of individuals for matters which are near-identical, with meritless claims and artificially inflated costs. The Defendant is of the view that private parking firms operate as vexatious litigants and that relief from sanctions should be refused.
17. The Court is invited to make an Order of its own initiative, dismissing this claim in its entirety and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14 on the indemnity basis, taking judicial note of the wholly unreasonable conduct of this Claimant, not least due to the abuse of process in repeatedly attempting to claim fanciful costs which they are not entitled to recover.
Statement of Truth:
I confirm that the contents of this defence are true to the best of my knowledge.0 -
Incorrect name for the IPC, please correct
Add The judges stated , before It is ordered0 -
This bit needs the grammar correcting as it doesn't make sense.
2. It is denied that any 'parking charges’ are owed and any debt is denied in its entirety because no keeper liability, no cause for action against the defendant.I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks0 -
Incorrect name for the IPC, please correct
I just copied this all from coupon-mad's abuse of process post, what's the correct IPC?0 -
Googling Will get you the answer to most acronyms.
Those just used here are explained in the newbies FAQ thread in post #50
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