Section 21

Keto_Plastics

Pennie63 wrote: »

Evening all,

I was served a section 21 last night by my landlord, just as I was on the phone to Shelter. Timely!

They want me to sign and return a copy of it immediately. She has been texting me telling me she'll come round and collect it.

I need to run this before my solicitor.

Do I even need to sign a copy? I can't find anywhere that tells me I should.

Is she just harassing me?

Thank you for any advice

The moment You sign it You accept it whether it is valid or invalid does not matter once signed
also You do not need to sign it
Did You receive it before the date it started ? (if started on the 28 / 02 / 18 and received it on the 27 then its valid if you received it on the 28th /29th it is invalid) did you receive it at least the day before ?

Also the LL cannot just turn up at your property without giving You at least 24 hrs notice and then it is only if you allow them to

Pixie5740

Keto_Plastics wrote: »

The moment You sign it You accept it whether it is valid or invalid does not matter once signed
also You do not need to sign it
Did You receive it before the date it started ? (if started on the 28 / 02 / 18 and received it on the 27 then its valid if you received it on the 28th /29th it is invalid) did you receive it at least the day before ?

Also the LL cannot just turn up at your property without giving You at least 24 hrs notice and then it is only if you allow them to

Can you cite a source for that please? As far as I'm aware it doesn't matter if a tenant has acknowledged receipt of a Section 21, an invalid Section 21 is still invalid.

Keto_Plastics

Pixie5740 wrote: »

Can you cite a source for that please? As far as I'm aware it doesn't matter if a tenant has acknowledged receipt of a Section 21, an invalid Section 21 is still invalid.

I was told by solicitors and also people on here the same thing that once you decide to sign a section 21 you have accepted it and it does not matter whether or not it is valid or invalid because you accepted it when signing it

And yes a section 21 that is invalid is still invalid no matter what, I never said otherwise

John-K_3

Pennie63 wrote: »

Thank you everyone for your replies.

As one of you said, I have far more important things to do like find a home for me and my children than signing bits of paper and going to the post office. Silly woman!

A complete relationship breakdown and I'm up to my bleeping ears to be honest!!!

Thank you

If you only do the most important thing each day you’ll not get far. If you do not want to sign, do not sign, but as this is clearly the first step in being awkward then do not be surprised if the landlady gets awkward too.

A bit of give and take might turn out to be exactly what you need if you find that you require more flexibility than you end up being given.

WorkingTowardsDebtFree

Keto_Plastics wrote: »

I was told by solicitors and also people on here the same thing that once you decide to sign a section 21 you have accepted it and it does not matter whether or not it is valid or invalid because you accepted it when signing it

And yes a section 21 that is invalid is still invalid no matter what, I never said otherwise

Yes, you did say otherwise - even in the post above:

You said:

Keto_Plastics wrote: »

once you decide to sign a section 21 you have accepted it and it does not matter whether or not it is valid or invalid because you accepted it when signing it

and you also said:

Keto_Plastics wrote: »

And yes a section 21 that is invalid is still invalid no matter what, I never said otherwise

Those two quotes completely contradict each other.

Pennie63

Thanks. Been advised now by solicitor and Shelter that I do not need to sign and landlord is harassing.

Simple!

theartfullodger

If I were feeling mischievous I'd send landlord a letter, with copy for him to sign & return, asking him to confirm that he requires you to sign-and-return s21 copy:

But no, you don't need to sign & return:

Artful: ( Landlord..)

PersianCatLady

Pennie63 wrote: »

Evening all,

I was served a section 21 last night by my landlord, just as I was on the phone to Shelter. Timely!

They want me to sign and return a copy of it immediately. She has been texting me telling me she'll come round and collect it.

I need to run this before my solicitor.

Do I even need to sign a copy? I can't find anywhere that tells me I should.

Is she just harassing me?

Thank you for any advice

I have never heard of a tenant being required to sign a section 21 before so I am very suspicious of your LL's intentions.

If I were you, I would not sign it.