Indigo Railway PCN x2

parky_mcpark

Hello there,

First off let me thank you all in advance. This forum is a brilliant source of info – I've tried to read as much as I can before posting a thread, but there's a lot to learn and read and a hell of a lot of acronyms to wrap my head around. I think I know what to do but if someone could help to put my mind at ease that would be great.

I park at the station most morning and 99% of the time remember to buy a ticket. very occasionally i'm running late or slip up and forget to buy one. I don't have an elaborate excuse, I just didn't buy a ticket. If the fines were reasonable and not extortionate I would probably just pay them, but in my opinion they're asking for ridiculous amounts.

I got a similar PCN from a different company/same location in 2015 and just ignored it. They sent a few letters and kept upping the charge but eventually gave up and I never heard anything else. So when I got another the other day I was planning to do the same and just ignore everything until I did a quick google and stumbled upon this site where I found the advice is: 'Do not pay but do not ignore'.

So my current situation is this: I got one ticket in December (13/12/17) and then another last week (16/02/18). both from indigo. The first ticket was issued on 13/12/17 and on 01/02/18 I received an 'overdue penalty notice to owner' in the post from indigo PCN admin centre. they're 'inviting' me to take them up on an 'offer' of £127. They mention bylaw 14 and that 'you may be legally liable for this offence even if you were not the driver at the time' etc. I haven't received anything in the post from the second ticket but I assume it'll be on its way.

So am I right In thinking that the correct course of action is to do the following:

1 - Wait a week or two
2 - Reply to the 'Notice to Owner' using the standard 'Template appeal for BPA or IPC members'
3 - Once I've received the reply just try to string it out for 6 months by asking questions.

A few questions:

1 - Am I missing anything / is this right?
2 - What are some good example questions I should ask to string it out?
3 - How long should I leave between each correspondence?
4 - Should I address each ticket individually or could I combine my correspondence and reference both tickets?

And then just out of curiosity, I'm sure there is a good reason but why reply at all? Why not just ignore the lot like I did previously in 2015?

Any advice is much appreciated.
Many, many thanks.

twhitehousescat

did you read the newbies thread?

PS under bylaw 14 ONLY the driver is liable NOT the owner , PCS and others tell lies

parky_mcpark

I did indeed, thats where I got the Template and most of my info its also where I saw:

Q - ''My windscreen Notice is a 'PENALTY' from a Railway car park, issued by a private firm (Indigo), what do I do?''

A - JANUARY 2018 UPDATE: DVLA SAYS INDIGO ARE NOT REQUESTING DVLA DATA FOR THESE. THEREFORE, IGNORE A WINDSCREEN PENALTY FROM INDIGO (ONLY IF THE LOCATION WAS A RAILWAY CAR PARK) AND WAIT AND SEE IF THEY ISSUE A NOTICE TO KEEPER AT ALL. THEN IF THEY DO, APPEAL AS KEEPER USING THE TEMPLATE BELOW. IT SEEMS LIKELY YOU WILL HEAR NOTHING, IN WHICH CASE, DO NOTHING.

But that lead me to reading other indigo specific threads that got me slightly confused. Just wanted to clarify if my approach above is right. Apologies, Im sure you're all sick of answering the same questions.

twhitehousescat

after reading long and hard , you will realize that the "offence" is under bylaw 14 (railways) and as such no private parking co can take you to court

therefore you now treat any correspondence as being junk mail from debt collection companies

there is also a suggestion in the newbies thread what to do with letters from debt collectors

parky_mcpark

So you're advising I shouldn't even bother sending the 'Template appeal' etc? Just ignore everything completely?

twhitehousescat

the idea with railway bylaw c cases is to time it out , which is 6 mths for a case at magistrates , however due to laws the parking co cannot give your details to the train co

parky_mcpark

Sorry if i'm being slow but i'm still a little unsure of how to proceed. Are you saying I don't need need to reply at all? I don't need to even worry about the 6 months thing? I just ask because there seemed to be differing advise on the other threads about indigo railway pcns.

twhitehousescat

indigo and the debt collectors have stated THAT THIS IS A BYLAW OFFENCE , only the train Co can take you to court

and indigo and the debt collectors CANNOT pass your info to the train Co

parky_mcpark

Ok so I will ignore everything and theres no chance I can legally be taken to court?

Out of interest though, surely there must be a way the train company can legally get the info?

Otherwise aren't you saying theres nothing that indigo can do. Even if I were to get a parking ticket every single day?

Hypothetically of course, i'm not planning to stop buying tickets.

twhitehousescat

yes if the train Co uses its own employees and follows the correct procedure then the train Co can bring charges

but as you clearly state

"I received an 'overdue penalty notice to owner' in the post from indigo PCN admin centre. they're 'inviting' me to take them up on an 'offer' of £127. They mention bylaw 14 and that 'you may be legally liable for this offence even if you were not the driver at the time' etc. I haven't received anything in the post from the second ticket but I assume it'll be on its way.

is pushing the law

The_Deep

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences. [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Parking Eye, Smart and a smaller company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (who take hundreds of these cases to court, and nearly always lose), who have also been reported to the regulatory authority. [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.[/FONT]