Off grid living

lincroft1710

AG47 wrote: »

The P.M just said we want to give planning permission to people who will actually build houses on the land,

As opposed to building them in the sky??

EachPenny

ProDave wrote: »

What the PM is suggesting is one particular developer will not be allowed further PP if they are not even building the ones they have permission for already.

Of course all that will happen is a "different" developer will seek that PP instead so it may not speed anything up at all.

Agreed, I can't see how this would work without a major change to planning laws. At the moment you don't even need to own land to apply for PP, so development companies could just set up (even more) subsidiaries to own individual plots of land.

Thus "EachPenny Developments678 Ltd" might already have PP for this piece of land, but that doesn't stop "EachPenny Developments679 Ltd" from applying for PP on the bit next door.

AnotherJoe

to quote a self sufficiency guru...

Words are anchors for sense experience, but the experience is not the reality, and the word is not the experience. Language is thus two removes from reality. To argue about the real meaning of a word is rather like arguing that one menu tastes better than another because you prefer the food that is printed on it...To come to believe that the external world is patterned by the way we talk about it is even worse than eating the menu - it is eating the printing ink on the menu. Words can be combined and manipulated in ways that have nothing to do with sensory experience.
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- John Seymour

Or in other words, "actually I'm talking complete b*ll*cks when i say I'm self sufficient but I'll disguise that with some clever word play".

Red-Squirrel_2

DaftyDuck wrote: »

Those kids are just ten minutes old, and mum has washed them and they've already fed. I can't say I care about much else at the moment, least of all a poor argument. Oh, and now they are all kidded, I get to sleep tonight - for a change.

What's going to happen to the kids?

[Deleted User]

AnotherJoe wrote: »

to quote a self sufficiency guru...




Or in other words, "actually I'm talking complete b*ll*cks when i say I'm self sufficient but I'll disguise that with some clever word play".

No. He was one of the leading self-sufficiency 'gurus' (been dead for a few years now). He did practice what he preached. His books on the subject are good too.

AnotherJoe

Spider_In_The_Bath wrote: »

No. He was one of the leading self-sufficiency 'gurus' (been dead for a few years now). He did practice what he preached. His books on the subject are good too.

But I'm wholly self sufficient as well.
My income more than covers my outgoings.
Whether i get my income from investments, "working for the man", being self employed, or selling eggs from my chickens and my home made dream catchers at craft fairs, and whether i obtain my shoes by trading cash with Clark's Shoe shop or eggs with the local cobbler, is merely a matter of detail.

spadoosh

AnotherJoe wrote: »

to quote a self sufficiency guru...




Or in other words, "actually I'm talking complete b*ll*cks when i say I'm self sufficient but I'll disguise that with some clever word play".

I doubt it, it was written in a book about communication, i dont think it references self sufficiency once.

As mentioned self sufficient is an ambiguous term. Sorry thats just the way the world is. Like, im big, what you couldnt tell me is if im bigger than you or not.
Me saying i want to be self sufficent doesnt mean the same as another person saying the same thing (just like two people saying im big).

In the modern world, im sure youll agree to have everything the average brit has it would be extremely difficult to be 'self sufficient' in the literal sense. I have the aim of being as self sufficient as possible. However i like the internet. To use such a thing is completely reliant on others thus not self sufficient. Most people could work out that someone saying they want to be self sufficient are using a bit of ambiguity. Lets not forget maslows heirachy of needs (comapnionship/love/belonging) makes literal self sufficiency a literal impossibility. In fact there isnt an organism on this planet that could be described as self sufficient using the literal definition.

But then it is a lot easier than saying:

I want to grow my own vegetables and collect seeds. I want to rear and cull my own animals, excel in their husbandry, produce and preserve the food whilst using their byproducts to produce other items such as clothing. I want to grow and harvest my own fuel and maintain and build my houses systems. I want to build my own home.

And thats a very much shortened version of the requirements for literal self sufficiency, focusing on needs as opposed to would likes, like the internet.

Im usually in favour of such a fastidious approach. But it just doesnt work with ambiguous terms though.

[Deleted User]

spadoosh wrote: »

I doubt it, it was written in a book about communication, i dont think it references self sufficiency once. ...

Ah! There is a different (or was) John Seymour who was a self-sufficiency advocate. As the conversation was taking about self-sufficiency I thought you meant this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seymour_(author)

[Deleted User]

AnotherJoe wrote: »

But I'm wholly self sufficient as well.
My income more than covers my outgoings.
Whether i get my income from investments, "working for the man", being self employed, or selling eggs from my chickens and my home made dream catchers at craft fairs, and whether i obtain my shoes by trading cash with Clark's Shoe shop or eggs with the local cobbler, is merely a matter of detail.

Good for you.

But I am sure that you can tell that in this context of the thread we are talking about self-sufficiency in terms of off-grid living and growing one's own food and living in the woods.

Not sure how your post relates to the context of the thread at all.

spadoosh

Spider_In_The_Bath wrote: »

Ah! There is a different (or was) John Seymour who was a self-sufficiency advocate. As the conversation was taking about self-sufficiency I thought you meant this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seymour_(author)

Lmao, i know who youre talking about, ive got a fair few of his books, including one called.... 'neuro linguistic programming' (after reading through a recommended book list.) from which the quote is from. Just turns out its not the same John Seymour!!! :rotfl:


What a tool!

I bought thinking it was the same guy (im apparently a really bad fan!), ive always thought it a bit odd to go from 1 acre gardens to whats essentially a motivational speaker book i just assumed it was a sideline.

Cant stop laughing at myself.

At least the quote was apt.

Wheres the face palm smiley?!