PIP in Northern Ireland

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  • kah22kah22 Forumite
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    First of all my apologies as this is a longer message than I normally post.

    My friend has received her PIP award; standard rate care at £57.30 week and no help for mobility. The award to March 2021. As mentioned in other posts the assessment was paper based and the condition was Bipolar.

    We now turn to whether or not to look a mandatory review, she has received 11 points; that 1 extra would make a difference. I should say that while she will go for a MR but not to a Tribunal but we’ll not be saying that.

    In their ‘How I made my decision’ section the DM stated that ‘they used information provided by the letter from your psychiatrist. This comment I find particularly interesting: ‘The information provided by the telephone advice from your psychiatrist . From what I’ve been reading this seems to be uncommon ie they contacting the psychiatrist. I would imagine this is something I should ask for specifically in a SAR: . What advice did he give? They didn’t mention the GP’s letter or the support letter from myself.

    While I appreciate that a mandatory review may look at all descriptors in the hunt for that extra 1 point I would be homing in on the following. Preparing Food, Eating and Drinking, Reading, Communicating and Making Decisions about Money

    Preparing food. 2 from 8 For this activity she was awarded 2 points for needing prompting. However, I feel that they did not take into account her assertion that: ‘ It is not safe for me to use the hob because when in bipolar depression I cannot concentrate enough to complete the task and when in a manic state working with boiling water and naked flames becomes dangerous.’ Should that pass the reliability test? Not been able to do it safely. She has actually burned herself on a few occasions. I also feel that they should have given weight to motivation, concentration, and distraction.

    Eating and Drinking. 0 from 8 I feel they should have considered her lack of motivation because of deep depression and the tiredness. Again all mentioned in her application.

    Reading 0 from 10 In her submission she stated that when she gets ‘a letter from say Benefits people telling me e.g. about a change in benefits I am getting I have to get help in understanding this Form and what various parts of it means or which applies to me. The main part of why I needed help here was because I just couldn’t concentrate and I became very tired and depressed and afraid I will loose my benefits.’ Could the likes of that possibly cover 8 c or d.

    Communicating: 0 from 10. The DM said they decided that she can express and understand verbal information unaided While my friend is more likely to be in a depressed state she wrote that when she is manic she talks at lighting speed and constantly changes subjects. But when she is on a low she just does the bear minimum of talking. She very seldom uses the telephone. When on a high she has got violent and struck me, all this was mentioned in her form.

    Making budgeting decisions. 2 from 6 For those with bipolar this, I think, is a big one. The points were for making complex budgeting decisions but in her submission she gave three examples of how she treats money, this was when she was on a high. £80 clothes form second hand shop, £500 to a nephew getting married and £40 to a beggar in the street.

    While I will go through the other descriptors these, I feel, would be her strongest points, but please if you have any suggestions about PIP and Bipolar share them.

    I would be interested in your views and what the next step should be. That 1 extra point would make all the difference.

    Kevin
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    kah22 wrote: »
    First of all my apologies as this is a longer message than I normally post.

    My friend has received her PIP award; standard rate care at £57.30 week and no help for mobility. The award to March 2021. As mentioned in other posts the assessment was paper based and the condition was Bipolar.

    We now turn to whether or not to look a mandatory review, she has received 11 points; that 1 extra would make a difference. I should say that while she will go for a MR but not to a Tribunal but we’ll not be saying that.

    In their ‘How I made my decision’ section the DM stated that ‘they used information provided by the letter from your psychiatrist. This comment I find particularly interesting: ‘The information provided by the telephone advice from your psychiatrist . From what I’ve been reading this seems to be uncommon ie they contacting the psychiatrist. I would imagine this is something I should ask for specifically in a SAR: . What advice did he give? They didn’t mention the GP’s letter or the support letter from myself.

    While I appreciate that a mandatory review may look at all descriptors in the hunt for that extra 1 point I would be homing in on the following. Preparing Food, Eating and Drinking, Reading, Communicating and Making Decisions about Money

    Preparing food. 2 from 8 For this activity she was awarded 2 points for needing prompting. However, I feel that they did not take into account her assertion that: ‘ It is not safe for me to use the hob because when in bipolar depression I cannot concentrate enough to complete the task and when in a manic state working with boiling water and naked flames becomes dangerous.’ Should that pass the reliability test? Not been able to do it safely. She has actually burned herself on a few occasions. I also feel that they should have given weight to motivation, concentration, and distraction.

    Eating and Drinking. 0 from 8 I feel they should have considered her lack of motivation because of deep depression and the tiredness. Again all mentioned in her application.

    Reading 0 from 10 In her submission she stated that when she gets ‘a letter from say Benefits people telling me e.g. about a change in benefits I am getting I have to get help in understanding this Form and what various parts of it means or which applies to me. The main part of why I needed help here was because I just couldn’t concentrate and I became very tired and depressed and afraid I will loose my benefits.’ Could the likes of that possibly cover 8 c or d.

    Communicating: 0 from 10. The DM said they decided that she can express and understand verbal information unaided While my friend is more likely to be in a depressed state she wrote that when she is manic she talks at lighting speed and constantly changes subjects. But when she is on a low she just does the bear minimum of talking. She very seldom uses the telephone. When on a high she has got violent and struck me, all this was mentioned in her form.

    Making budgeting decisions. 2 from 6 For those with bipolar this, I think, is a big one. The points were for making complex budgeting decisions but in her submission she gave three examples of how she treats money, this was when she was on a high. £80 clothes form second hand shop, £500 to a nephew getting married and £40 to a beggar in the street.

    While I will go through the other descriptors these, I feel, would be her strongest points, but please if you have any suggestions about PIP and Bipolar share them.

    I would be interested in your views and what the next step should be. That 1 extra point would make all the difference.

    Kevin
    Defo ask for a MR they seem to be giving 11 points to a lot of people and do ask about what The Dr said because It is Rare for Capita to contact One .
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  • kah22kah22 Forumite
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    For anyone intending to request a MR of their PIP claim or going to a Tribunal you might find this helpful

    The easiest way to request a SAR is by e-mailing [email protected]

    Alternatively, you may wish to write to:

    Margaret Wainwright
    Data Protection Officer
    PIP Centre
    5th Floor
    Castle Court
    Belfast
    BT1 1HR
  • K80_BlackK80_Black Forumite
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    kah22 wrote: »
    I should say that while she will go for a MR but not to a Tribunal but we’ll not be saying that.

    It's not uncommon for the MR to be turned down, then when you say you'll go to the Tribunal they have a change of heart, phone you and offer you a higher award. That's exactly what happened to me, and after lurking on the disability forum for a while, I'm not alone. If you have no luck with a MR, appeal it anyway - worst case scenario is they set a date for a Tribunal and you say the stress is too much and back out.


    Good luck!
  • kah22kah22 Forumite
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    It's not uncommon for the MR to be turned down, then when you say you'll go to the Tribunal they have a change of heart, phone you and offer you a higher award. That's exactly what happened to me, and after lurking on the disability forum for a while, I'm not alone. If you have no luck with a MR, appeal it anyway - worst case scenario is they set a date for a Tribunal and you say the stress is too much and back out.
    Good luck!
    well I had that in mind !!!129299;

    Readers might be interested in THIS POST I put on the main Forum. I be interested in the NI take on it
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    I am at Present waiting for an upper Tribunal.
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  • kah22kah22 Forumite
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    I am at Present waiting for an upper Tribunal.
    IThe Upper Tribunal. If you don’t mind me asking what’s the case? PM me if you like

    I’m asking because I’m going to have to submit our review shortly. rember it’s Bipolar. Hers the scores
    Preparing Food. 2
    Eating and Drinking. 0. Not surprised
    Mananging Treatments. 1
    Washing and Bathing 2
    Managing Toilet Needs. 0 Didn’t claim here at all
    Dressing and Undressing 2
    Communicating 0. This is an issue worth pushing, I think Yes?
    Reading 0 again not surprised but would like to here opinions
    Mixing With Other People 2
    Making Budgeting Decisions (complex) 2 No simple decisions
    Zero points for mobility. I’d like to make a case here if only for the reviews they’ll be making later on
    I haven’t had my written results or SAR back yet
    All on a paper based assessment. Any suggestions
  • MossfinnMossfinn Forumite
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    I have recently moved over from DLA to PIP. I received a notification letter between Xmas and New Year, I rang, answered some basic questions and was sent the detailed questionnaire. A week or so after returning it, I received a letter informing me about an assessor visiting me at home at the end of January.

    Six weeks later I received a letter informing me I had been awarded enhanced level for both mobility and careers allowance. The careers allowance was a level higher than DLA.

    For those going through the process, I have to say that it can be daunting. The language and tone of the official letters along with the negative opinions surrounding PIP create a lot of fear. However, the assessors are independent and very fair. They certainly don!!!8217;t act as if they are trying to find reasons to fail you.

    All in all, the process was professional and smooth and I don!!!8217;t think people should be unnecessarily worried
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    Mossfinn wrote: »
    I have recently moved over from DLA to PIP. I received a notification letter between Xmas and New Year, I rang, answered some basic questions and was sent the detailed questionnaire. A week or so after returning it, I received a letter informing me about an assessor visiting me at home at the end of January.

    Six weeks later I received a letter informing me I had been awarded enhanced level for both mobility and careers allowance. The careers allowance was a level higher than DLA.

    For those going through the process, I have to say that it can be daunting. The language and tone of the official letters along with the negative opinions surrounding PIP create a lot of fear. However, the assessors are independent and very fair. They certainly don!!!8217;t act as if they are trying to find reasons to fail you.

    All in all, the process was professional and smooth and I don!!!8217;t think people should be unnecessarily worried

    You were very Lucky even get seen at Home ,a lot of us had to travel to a centre and were watched from the Instant we arrived In the Car park,I am happy you had a Good out come but a lot don't Most People who did get Mobilty Have lost It They give them 10 points or Zero .
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  • 50Twuncle50Twuncle Forumite
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    Mossfinn wrote: »
    I have recently moved over from DLA to PIP. I received a notification letter between Xmas and New Year, I rang, answered some basic questions and was sent the detailed questionnaire. A week or so after returning it, I received a letter informing me about an assessor visiting me at home at the end of January.

    Six weeks later I received a letter informing me I had been awarded enhanced level for both mobility and careers allowance. The careers allowance was a level higher than DLA.
    CARERS allowance is fixed at £62.70 in NI (£62.10 for rest of UK) for PIP
    EXACTLY the same as for someone claiming DLA
    And I assume that you meant - your carer received it rather than you
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