Random criminal question!!!!!!!!!!

emsywoo123

Hi MSE's
Some of you know I am at uni, and I am doing my child protection unit at the moment. We have been given several sets of circumstances about adults working with children, and despite much searching, I am totally stumped with one, and thought the great universal minds might be able to help?!?
I know that an adult with a criminal record cannot work with children, but can someone who has been arrested work with them? Does it constitute a criminal record? And does the nature of the arrest affect the situation, or does an arrest without court appearance not appear on a criminal record check?:o
I have searched police websites etc, and spoken to the local police, but they have not been overly forthcoming as I was only calling as a student!! (only!)
Any help would be really appreciated as I seem to be looking at a blank sheet of paper at the mo!!
Thanks

Bamber19

Being arrested wont have any effect, otherwise countless innocent people would be unable to work with children/travel to certain countries.

emsywoo123

Ooooo thank you
One final bit (which I have only just read!!) If they are arrested for a child related abuse crime BUT it has been dropped due to insufficient evidence, would they be allowed to work with children?
Em x

Bamber19

Damn, not sure, was just trying to remember things from criminal law, and procedure, got a book here, i'll have a glance through but i'm not sure it'll have anything on it. My gut says it shouldn't be a barrier to working with children, if only because i'm sure you commonly read in newspapers about sentencing in abuse cases etc and at the end it will say "...and is banned from working with children for life" which makes it seem a conviction would be needed.

emsywoo123

Yeah you see that is what I thought, but I started this in the Moneysavers Arms thread as well, and there seems to be differing opinions about it! Glad I am not the only one confused!

Bamber19

Yeah i jsut read this http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=1871 which just adds confusion as it says a CRB check will bring back other non-conviction information held on local police computers but without knowing what they hold it is possible that it will include arrests.

Alfie_E

My understanding is that a Standard CRB Check shows only convictions, final warnings, reprimands and cautions. An Enhanced CRB Check can contain any information the police hold on the person being checked, at the discretion of the Chief Officer. Given how extremely cautious everyone in authority is these days, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Chief Officer shovelled everything into an Enhanced CRB Check, just to make sure he or she was covered.

Being arrested just means the police have your fingerprints and DNA until 100 years after your date of birth, whether you are still alive or not, possibly losing the right to fly to, or through, the USA under the USA’s visa waiver program and a possible blot on any Enhanced CRB Check. All that for even an innocent person, lovely…

emsywoo123

Alfie_E wrote: »

My understanding is that a Standard CRB Check shows only convictions, final warnings, reprimands and cautions. An Enhanced CRB Check can contain any information the police hold on the person being checked, at the discretion of the Chief Officer. Given how extremely cautious everyone in authority is these days, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Chief Officer shovelled everything into an Enhanced CRB Check, just to make sure he or she was covered.

Being arrested just means the police have your fingerprints and DNA until 100 years after your date of birth, whether you are still alive or not, possibly losing the right to fly to, or through, the USA under the USA’s visa waiver program and a possible blot on any Enhanced CRB Check. All that for even an innocent person, lovely…

Blimey so even if an innocent person was arrested for something child related, and then no action taken cos it was a mistake, they would still be affected?:eek:

beard0609

hi.. from what I can remember .. when you have been charged for a crime it is entered onto both PNC and the local system.. if you were then found not guilty it would drop off after 42 days however with sex offences the police had the power to retain the case for 5 years.
I think it was last year or late the year before it was decided that cases would no longer drop off but would stay on the system for ever!!!!

When a CRB check is completed the police computers for all area that you lived in are checked and it can be requested for the information.

If you want further information call the local police headquarters and ask for the vetting burearu and they will be able to give you the complete story

sorry for duplicate info posted crossed with others

emsywoo123

beard0609 wrote: »

hi.. from what I can remember .. when you have been charged for a crime it is entered onto both PNC and the local system.. if you were then found not guilty it would drop off after 42 days however with sex offences the police had the power to retain the case for 5 years.
I think it was last year or late the year before it was decided that cases would no longer drop off but would stay on the system for ever!!!!

When a CRB check is completed the police computers for all area that you lived in are checked and it can be requested for the information.

If you want further information call the local police headquarters and ask for the vetting burearu and they will be able to give you the complete story

sorry for duplicate info posted crossed with others

What if they were not found not guilty-I think my specific question refers to the ambiguity of not getting final resolution i.e. just charges dropped, so there is ???uncertainty?

[Deleted User]

My sister's in the police (MIU) and she says that when Ian Huntley was found guilty of his murdering Jessica and Holly this is when the enhancement check was brought back into light again , as he had already been arrested but not charged with incidents involving children under age. Had it been included on his check he may never have gotten the job.. She says it is down to the boss man but it depends on the nature of the alleged crime. However she says it is perfectally ok to call your local station not 999 or owt:rotfl: And ask as it's for an essay and it's important you have the facts correct.
I know I've phoned my local to ask for clarification on bb guns as my neighbour had one ( he's 8) and threatened my DS with it ( such a nice child!!my neighbour) so.. That's my 2 peneth worth, Do with it as you will!
Good luck