Adaptis Solutions Railway Byelaw s14

financerulez

Thanks for the replies guys. Interestingly their letter allows keeper to make a representation and even includes info about how they will allow POPLA if they reject! Looks like these guys aren't up to speed (roboclaim). With this in mind I am thinking appeal, and include a load of questions to waste a bit of time.

Yeah their company setup is very confusing. No company number or address on the letter of course. The representation web address is dashpark. com/gtr and to pay the fine it's gtrpen. com. Not sure if that's any help.

RE how they persuaded DVLA to hand over data, we might have to wait for a DVLA response. It says Adaptis Solutions subscribe to the DVLA-established Accredited Trade Association scheme through which it manages the release of vehicle data to ensure security. Can they be part of that but not BPA/IPC? All potential questions for my representation, perhaps?

No mention of Mag Court interestingly, they think its pursuable in County Court. My only concern is that they pass info to Govia Thameslink who take me to Mag Court, but maybe I'm worrying unnecessarily. Do you see many instances of people going there? Could I pay the £100 if I received a mag court summons to avoid it? Do we know for sure whether they are even allowed to pass my info to Govia (the TOC) or whether Govia can legally request it from the DVLA?

Would photos of the letter help? I will black out all personal info. What is the easiest way to share them?

Thanks all!

financerulez

NB re NCP, could it be that Adaptis are on there as a partner or payment collector, as they own dash and dash operate some NCP car parks?

pappa_golf

looks like its a mix and match

adaptis using credit services agency , but appeal thru one of about 30 companies https://ukparking.dashcardservices.com/dash/_public/partners/

yup get data from dvla , any company that is not in a PARKING ATA cant get a ATA member to get info


when you hear back from DVLA , update this thread

Coupon-mad

Thanks for the replies guys. Interestingly their letter allows keeper to make a representation and even includes info about how they will allow POPLA if they reject! With this in mind I am thinking appeal, and include a load of questions to waste a bit of time.

Treat them as a BPA member and use the template appeal from the NEWBIES thread, then if a POPLA code materialises, you can win.

Does the postal PCN call it a PENALTY or a 'parking charge' (contractual)?

pappa_golf

PS NCP cant pass it to thameslink ,

if thameslink take you to court , the gov gets money not them so why waste money doing it

looks like they have found a back door to miss POPLa and relevent land


update later

Umkomaas

My only concern is that they pass info to Govia Thameslink who take me to Mag Court,

The DPA should prevent that.

Do you see many instances of people going there?

Not for at least 3 years to my recollection (all TOCs).

Could I pay the £100 if I received a mag court summons to avoid it?

Running too far ahead of yourself. 99% unlikely to happen. Why employ a private parking company to deal with all the crap, only to take it off their hands due to their failure, to then pursue a Mags Court prosecution, where any fines are not theirs to keep, but simply to hand over the proceeds to the Exchequer? Do the math!

Too much overthinking.

KeithP

financerulez wrote: »

My only concern is that they pass info to Govia Thameslink who take me to Mag Court, but maybe I'm worrying unnecessarily. Do you see many instances of people going there? Could I pay the £100 if I received a mag court summons to avoid it? Do we know for sure whether they are even allowed to pass my info to Govia (the TOC) or whether Govia can legally request it from the DVLA?

Do not be concerned about that.

As you say, they cannot pass your data to the train operating company - that is a clear breach of the Data Protection Act.

Govia can of course make a request to the DVLA. Not quite sure what that request could be since they know nothing and the PPC cannot tell them anything - that includes the car reg no.

Remember that if, and it's a big if, this went to a magistrates course and you were found guilty, any fine would go straight to the treasury.
The railway company gets nothing. The PC gets nothing. But both those have incurred substantial cost of bring the case to court for absolutely no return.
Ask yourself - why would they do that?

pappa_golf

adaptis main people seem to be also members of voltswagon finace , cant find vw finance listed

it looks to be a smoke n mirror settup , wonder if dvla/bpa know

pappa_golf

link is sagoss then passed to ncp if anyone kicks off and wants popla

financerulez

Wow thanks for the quick responses guys! Will update when DVLA reply. Presumably they'll reply before the 28 day limit for appeal on my PCN? I'm intrigued as to how they're going to justify giving keeper info, considering they are on neither BPA or IPC membership list. If they used a different trade name, at least we'll find out who, but that's very dodgy requesting it through one name, and then presenting it to the keeper using another. I've not jumped the gun and read about DVLA complaints/KADOE stuff yet, but I'd hope there is some infringement there!

You've all restored my faith re Mag Court - thank you!

Letter says Penalty Charge Notice to Keeper, so I guess they got that right at least.