School uniform policy. is it going too far?

maman

Fireflyaway wrote: »

I've thought for years there should be a national school uniform! It would cost pence to produce due to the volume.

But we have a government that has actively encouraged competition between schools so making them all look the same wouldn't work.


Going way back they introduced parental preference over sending your child to the local school.


More recently they encouraged schools to bid for money by becoming Specialist colleges.


Currently they encourage free schools and academies to compete with Local Authority maintained schools and are trying to find ways of increasing numbers of grammar places.


It's a cut throat business. National uniform isn't going to happen.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

After the school uniform saga we made an agreement with school that on the basis of her wearing school colours no jegging no leggings or jeans she could wear zip pockets trousers. I asked school to E-mail alert all her teachers this was agreed so there was no questioning her when she was in class about it and sending her to isolation. He says he did this, but the last class of the day teacher put her in isolation and said that she didn't have no E-mail Daughter asked her to double check teacher refused to do so. Daughter went to over to deputy head to explain this and then he said it was for ONE DAY ONLY, this was not what was agreed. Then Daughter walked into a pole in school on way out and hit two teeth loose, Unfortunately daughters a violent person when hurt, and best course is to let her ride it out and calm down so daughter walked into the tutors room where it was empty put head in hands and screamed the place down in frustration and pain, another teacher came in and gave her a stern talking to about her screaming, teacher told her it was pathetic for her age, and to get out of the tutors room and stand against the heads corridor for yet another talking to!. Daughter had enough by this point and just walked out of school instead.


The above is paragraph from my newest thread.


Sorry I haven't been updating here, been really busy sorting uniform saga out. then it went T I T S Up! as per new thread. more details over the new thread I thought more appropriate to start a new thread as its a new topic.


Feel free to merger them though if you disagree!.

unholyangel

Energize wrote: »

The government runs the education system though and has the power to put a stop to this sort of bs.

Suggesting that the op homeschools their kids after they have been forced to pay huge amounts of tax to fund the education system is not reasonable.

Most parents don't pay enough tax to fund their kids education, never mind anything else. A single earner would need to earn over 45k before they paid enough tax for 1 child. Two parent earners would need to earn 30k each before they paid enough tax for 1 child (and thats not paying for the parents share of services, just 1 child). The median wage in the uk is 22k.

As for the uniforms, they're not that crazy round here yet thankfully. Although when I was at high school there was research indicating exam results improved when uniforms were less rigid - cue schools getting rid of shirts, blazers & ties and bringing in more casual uniforms (which the student body voted on). The school also backed down on a boy = trousers/girl = skirt policy under pressure from the female students who were sick of the boys trying to lift their skirt/put their hands up.

Fireflyaway

Spendless wrote: »

What are you going to do about the households that don't receive CB? The ones where because there's a HR taxpayer in the household they don't qualify, but if the same household income was split more equally between the parents they would?

Personally I'd stop cb altogether! If you (general you - not you personally!) have a child you should support it, not have money from the public purse. All that cb could go a long way to improving care for the elderly for example.
However if cb is a thing, better its done in a way that means the money had to be spent on kids not just paid in cash that can be used for anything! A voucher system for example.
Also, why do different schools need to be identified by a uniform? Not sure why that's needed?

Tabbytabitha

Fireflyaway wrote: »

Personally I'd stop cb altogether! If you (general you - not you personally!) have a child you should support it, not have money from the public purse. All that cb could go a long way to improving care for the elderly for example.
However if cb is a thing, better its done in a way that means the money had to be spent on kids not just paid in cash that can be used for anything! A voucher system for example.
Also, why do different schools need to be identified by a uniform? Not sure why that's needed?

You've obviously never taken kids on school trips, competitions or events when there are several schools in attendance.

Spendless

Tabbytabitha wrote: »

You've obviously never taken kids on school trips, competitions or events when there are several schools in attendance.

Genuine question, what do countries that don't have school uniform do about this?

The only thing that comes to mind is one year we holidayed in Florida when the schools were about to break up and there were a lot of kids at the Disney parks on school trips. They were wearing a t-shirt with the school's name on.

Tabbytabitha

Spendless wrote: »

Genuine question, what do countries that don't have school uniform do about this?

The only thing that comes to mind is one year we holidayed in Florida when the schools were about to break up and there were a lot of kids at the Disney parks on school trips. They were wearing a t-shirt with the school's name on.

IME, t -shirts, sweatshirts or caps, which is ok for informal events but doesn't present a great image for older students when going on something like a careers event.

maman

Fireflyaway wrote: »

Personally I'd stop cb altogether! If you (general you - not you personally!) have a child you should support it, not have money from the public purse. All that cb could go a long way to improving care for the elderly for example.
However if cb is a thing, better its done in a way that means the money had to be spent on kids not just paid in cash that can be used for anything! A voucher system for example.
Also, why do different schools need to be identified by a uniform? Not sure why that's needed?

There are lots of reasons including 'work clothes' to engender good attitudes and discourage competition. But I believe the main reason we're seeing an explosion of blazers and strict adherence to policy is branding. So the same reason as a company has logos, staff wear uniforms, everyone recognises the golden arches etc.


IMO, Child Benefit could stop at either aged 3 when the 'free' nursery hours kick in or at the latest 5 when children go to full time school. I think I might stop at 2 children per family as well.