Work colleague told me is going to go off sick

redpete

scd3scd4 wrote: »

What importance do you put on brown nosing and possibly getting another person sacked or disciplined. Where is the "honour" in that?

I don't see the world in simplistic terms like 'us and them', 'workers and bosses', privileged and exploited' etc. etc.

I hate bullies, criminals & scammers who use intimidation to prevent others 'grassing' on them and claim that this is some kind of honourable conduct.

I don't agree that any employer or boss is fair game because they make a profit.

I expect my company to treat me fairly when I behave reasonably, I treat my team fairly when they behave reasonably. I would rather use discretion than be constrained by rules imposed because a minority take advantage.

sangie595

demiruss wrote: »

Most management I've worked for have frowned upon tattletales, especially if there's no concrete proof. They might appreciate a vague heads up, but the people who pulled them aside and told tales were usually viewed in a negative light (maybe they thought it reflected badly on them/brought their judgement into disrepute) and managers worried about their own conduct around these people. It seems like a lose-lose situation for the OP, they could alienate both parties :question:

Did you actually read my post. I said that I would report it if there was concrete proof, or if I was asked directly. That is not "tattletaling". You could look at it another way - someone who categorically IS claiming sick pay when not sick is a thief. A bully is someone abusing another. Discrimination and hatred have no place in a decent society. You support these things, do you?

scd3scd4

redpete wrote: »

I don't see the world in simplistic terms like 'us and them', 'workers and bosses', privileged and exploited' etc. etc.

I hate bullies, criminals & scammers who use intimidation to prevent others 'grassing' on them and claim that this is some kind of honourable conduct.

I don't agree that any employer or boss is fair game because they make a profit.

I expect my company to treat me fairly when I behave reasonably, I treat my team fairly when they behave reasonably. I would rather use discretion than be constrained by rules imposed because a minority take advantage.

I have worked for a multinational for 20 years. In a skilled role. I have seen plenty people come and go. That includes managers, big and small. The company I work for has a efficient and managed sickness policy. That's their job not mine. They are for the most part a decent company.

I have warned people in the passed about misusing it and the risks. But I would never grass a work mate. If it ever came to light you had lost a man or woman their job, they would lose the support of their team. And based on experience they would be moved or would follow soon after.

sangie595

scd3scd4 wrote: »

You dont care.......thats fine. The OP is asking a question. He or she may.

Why stop there. Tell the boss someone was late.........had a longer lunch break. Went early one day. Stayed at the water machine taking too long. Likes a beer or glass of wine.!!!

Your are being ridiculous in order to try to score points. Arriving late or leaving early is done in plain sight and if people want to risk their job, then that's up to them. If the glass of beer or two... or three... is before getting in a vehicle, you bet I'd stop them and report it. If you'd seen the consequences of a lorry piling over a pavement of people because the driver was intoxicated, so would you. Well I'd hope you'd be a decent human being, but maybe not?

When peoples actions damage and adversely effect others, not saying or doing something is collaboration. Last time I looked "collaborator" was right up there on a par with "snitch". This is why we have brains - to use them. Instead of blindly following the crowd, we are able to make our own judgments without fearing labels that bullies want to attach to us to keep us in line. Some of us are anyway. If you, or the OP, or anyone else, wants to stand by and say nothing when you see something wrong, that's up to you. But I prefer not to be one of the sheep and fear what others might think or say - I intervene to stop it. If that happened more often, many workplaces would be significantly better places to work. For everyone.

scd3scd4

sangie595 wrote: »

Your are being ridiculous in order to try to score points. Arriving late or leaving early is done in plain sight and if people want to risk their job, then that's up to them. If the glass of beer or two... or three... is before getting in a vehicle, you bet I'd stop them and report it. If you'd seen the consequences of a lorry piling over a pavement of people because the driver was intoxicated, so would you. Well I'd hope you'd be a decent human being, but maybe not?

When peoples actions damage and adversely effect others, not saying or doing something is collaboration. Last time I looked "collaborator" was right up there on a par with "snitch". This is why we have brains - to use them. Instead of blindly following the crowd, we are able to make our own judgments without fearing labels that bullies want to attach to us to keep us in line. Some of us are anyway. If you, or the OP, or anyone else, wants to stand by and say nothing when you see something wrong, that's up to you. But I prefer not to be one of the sheep and fear what others might think or say - I intervene to stop it. If that happened more often, many workplaces would be significantly better places to work. For everyone.

Don't be ridiculous, less of the drama. I am talking about someone having a pint at lunchtime in an office environment. You are everything wrong with the modern working person don't flatter yourself. It's not done in plain site many people work flexible hours/flexitime, part time, lates, earlies. Welcome to the modern workplace!

You are just another sheep to the system. I would not live with myself knowing I may have lost a person their job. The workplace will never be better places with people like you more like.

Like I already said..........I have spoken to many people over the years. Given them advise and warned them. In some cases they can ask for unpaid leave, take it from next year or have personal days. I tell them to be honest and upfront if they need time off. But I dont report them. I have more respect for myself.

"collaborator"................pleasseeee.

nicechap

sangie595 wrote: »

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The people who most dislike snitches are the ones who get snitched upon, or who have something they don't want finding out.
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Quite agree with the above,

I'm amazed at how many people think its OK for their colleagues to freeload off the hard working colleagues' contribution.

What's the difference between theft of time and theft of goods?

andygb

I would just keep my mouth shut, end of.

However, if someone had previously been trying to get me in trouble like one of my old supervisors, then I would definitely go on the offensive.
Years ago, my supervisor used to bring around the itemised phone bills, and try to get the employees to pay up for private calls. This guy didn't like me very much, so when he came up to me waving the bill around saying that I had made private calls - four of them to the same number - I didnt get flustered, I just said to him - "I can't remember what the number is, so why don't I ring it?"
He looked a bit flustered, so I rang it, and it turned out it was our software support number which I had phoned a few times a couple of months previously.
Needless to say, he stomped off with his blood pressure nicely raised to critical point.
That would have been the end of it, if one of the other people in the department hadn't noticed, and later told me that he had let off one of the younger women with about £50 worth of private calls abroad.
I somehow managed to get a copy of the itemised calls, and approached him and then the senior partner of the firm.
Long story short - he was gone in less than a month.

stuartJo1989

redpete wrote: »

I don't understand placing such importance on maintaining 'honour' between employees whilst having no expectation of honesty between employee and employer.

wouldn't be so black and white about it tbh, you can still be honest to your employer without divulging irrelevant information (if this situation directly impacts on OP then that's another story).

TBagpuss

scd3scd4 wrote: »

You are just another sheep to the system. I would not live with myself knowing I may have lost a person their job. The workplace will never be better places with people like you more like.

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I think the issue with this is that it wouldn't be the case that you would have 'lost a person their job'. They would have lost the job for themselves, by lying about being sick when they weren't, or by working for a competitor.

Terms like 'grassing' or 'snitching' or 'telling tales' are all very loaded terms.

If an employer learns that you knew a colleague was behaving dishonestly and chose to cover it up then that isn't going to go down well.

I also think that most people can distinguish between major and minor things, and act accordingly. Someone coming in a few minutes late is different to someone lying about sickness to take paid time off they are not entitled to.

Someone taking long breaks / standing around chatting are things which a manager can see for themselves.

Whether or not the OP chooses to say anything in this specific case is up to them, unless they have any management or supervisory role they are not under any obligation to report it,but it would be entirely reasonable for them to do so.

I would also say that in my experience, other employees are often well aware of who the people are who do take advantage and swing the lead, and are more than happy to see them gone, since one person who is not pulling their weight creates more work for the rest of their team.

System

sangie595 wrote: »

So you think that bullying people is ok? That using offensive and abusive language is fine? Everyone should claim sick pay when they aren't sick so that everyone ends up under suspicion? Frankly, I wouldn't much like working with you either. But rest assured I won't be stabbing you in the back. I prefer the full frontal attack, so you'll know all about it.

There were a whole load of people living around concentration camps who also saw absolutely nothing. When you see absolutely nothing that is going on in front of it, you aren't innocent, you are part of the problem.

Way to take a small work place issue and link it to something very deep.:rotfl:

Lots of things go on in front of our eyes that are illegal or break rules and why people do not act or intervene is due to various reasons which can be complicated. To just say they are part of the problem is a very flippant and dismissive remark.

If someone wants to report something that is wrong or not report it then they should do it from a place of understanding the various outcomes that their actions may cause. From whatever actions they take it has to hold up to their belief system and for them to take personal responsibility for it.

Whatever they decide I will not look at them but instead look at the individual that committed the wrong doing and ensure rules and legal requirements are working in a balanced way as not to be unenforceable or overreaching to the detriment of the company or society.