Public sector pay freeze/Inflation calculation

westernpromise

Tromking wrote: »

I don’t think the calling that is public service is for you.

On the contrary, collecting as much as possible for doing as little as possible is absolutely the public sector ethos.

Where I might not fit in is that I expect to be accountable to someone, and that I expect to do at least something.

The only bit of the public sector that's any good is the armed forces.

Tromking

westernpromise wrote: »

On the contrary, collecting as much as possible for doing as little as possible is absolutely the public sector ethos.

Where I might not fit in is that I expect to be accountable to someone, and that I expect to do at least something.

The only bit of the public sector that's any good is the armed forces.

You’re funny.

Nick_C

westernpromise wrote: »

On the contrary, collecting as much as possible for doing as little as possible is absolutely the public sector ethos.

Where I might not fit in is that I expect to be accountable to someone, and that I expect to do at least something.

The only bit of the public sector that's any good is the armed forces.

I repeat. Your experience of working iin the public sector is very different to mine.

You must have worked in a terrible organisation.

Either that or you are talking out of your backside.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

westernpromise wrote: »

On the contrary, collecting as much as possible for doing as little as possible is absolutely the public sector ethos.

Where I might not fit in is that I expect to be accountable to someone, and that I expect to do at least something.

The only bit of the public sector that's any good is the armed forces.

I don't think you would be capable of doing my previous Public sector job, In fact, I think you'd fail the interview :rotfl:

Thrugelmir

Nick_C wrote: »

I repeat. Your experience of working iin the public sector is very different to mine.

You must have worked in a terrible organisation.

Either that or you are talking out of your backside.

Depends on your broader work experience. That's in part the issue. Poor management inbreeds the next generation. Culture becomes the norm. Benchmarking becomes a tick box exercise. Rarely do poor performers get sacked or demoted.

BobQ

westernpromise wrote: »

For that reason I quite fancy blagging a public sector job for the last say 5 years of my working life. As you say, average / final = no difference. Although I'd presumably only get 5/60ths of the gold-plated pension, that would be fair because in effect my retirement would start the first day of "work" in the public sector. Turn up at 9, leave at 5, an hour for lunch and do your own stuff all day. I know someone at a government agency who wrote a novel in work time. In effect it's just a free office and nobody is ever sacked.

Why should anyone believe your anti-public sector bile when you cannot even get your basic facts correct.

The civil service is only 400,000 - a small part of the public sector - but the Annual Civil Service Employment Survey shows that between 2009 and 2015 2000+ civil servants were dismissed each year. That does not include those resigning before they were pushed or resigning via compromise agreements. So your statement above is just a lie or an unchecked guess.

Many public sector jobs are public facing and stressful so why should staff not take a lunch break?

BobQ

westernpromise wrote: »

Only the good people could, leaving only the bad.

More pejorative comments, although I agree that if you reduce people's pay over many years some will leave. The best will undoubtedly be more tempted to leave, as will the young who now see the public sector as just another job that will not let them get a mortgage. That does not mean that all who remain are "bad". Maybe less deployable on age grounds but also including many dedicated and loyal public servants.

The public service is now relying on the loyalty of an ageing workforce. But its time will pass as they retire and then we will get the public sector servants we deserve for the way we have treated them. The NHS is beginning to fall apart for that reason as is the social care sector.

BobQ

westernpromise wrote: »

That I have a preconceived idea of a public sector working day is just your own preconceived idea. My impression of the working hours of the body in question is wholly empirical and based on observation of what time they are at their desks, when it's too early or too late in the day to speak to them, the timestamps on their outbound emails and on the read receipts I get back when I send them one, their track record in actually opening files of information we send them via our secure gateway (we get a message when that happens, which is rarely), and their preferences for meetings at our offices to start at 3 and end at 4.00, so they can go straight home afterwards instead of returning to the office "because there's no point".

Maybe they have a job that has other things they must do in a working day unconnected with your problem? Maybe their private sector sourced IT is so carp that they have to log on to special computer to receive your gateway emails and they can only do that a couple of times a day? Just consider that they have constraints on their work that they cannot control.

Maybe they start work at 0800 and have other things to do before opening the phonelines? Maybe they acfually do finish work at 1600? Or maybe they had to work late one evening and are making up the time? Many public sector organisations operate family friendly policies that include flexible working or early starts so that they can pick up children?

GreatApe

Tromking wrote: »

They don’t just bleat, in lots of cases they up and leave and create a situation where there are currently 10K nursing vacancies in the NHS.
It obviously doesn’t bother you, but Governments have a responsibility to pitch the remuneration at a level where staff retention is not an issue.

The big positive about the NHS in particular is that it can control wages downwards especially of doctors but perhaps also of nurses to a lessor extent. Its why I fully support the NHS even though I am generally right wing and agree and support free markets. Long live the NHS and its ability to keep doctors wages at half of what they otherwise likely would be.

antrobus

GreatApe wrote: »

The big positive about the NHS in particular is that it can control wages downwards especially of doctors but perhaps also of nurses to a lessor extent. Its why I fully support the NHS even though I am generally right wing and agree and support free markets. Long live the NHS and its ability to keep doctors wages at half of what they otherwise likely would be.

I would actually agree with that. Although I would say that the same thing applies to other non-NHS type services provided by other countries.

But in the USA, which is the one country in the world that has a 'free market' in health care, it is extraordinarily expensive. Largely because of the amounts of money demanded by doctors and other HCPs.