How do I find the landlord of the property next door

PersianCatLady

need_an_answer wrote: »

yes sadly there are good and bad LL's in the same way that there are good and bad tenants.

As fbaby also points out you have to also take into account if these people who are living there were the homeowners,what action as neighbours would you take then.

That's, imo the only way that this can be resolved,adding a LL into the situation won't bring about eviction of the inhabitants.

Some LLs may be pleased that you have informed them of their tenants behaviour and will consider that when deciding whether or not to renew their AST.

Most LLs couldn't care less about their tenant's behaviour and will not do anything.

A lot of people are really surprised by this especially when a lot of online guides advise contacting a bad tenant's LL in the case of issues.

You are correct in saying that you can only really take the same action as if the tenants were homeowners.

Thing is, not always but very often, homeowners do not seem to behave as badly as some tenants.

For example, I know of a family of eight who rent a house that they could never afford in their wildest dreams.

Mum and Dad have never worked a day in their lives and they are proud of this fact.

Most working families in the area could not afford to rent the 4 bedroom house that this family live in but LHA covers most of the rent and a DHP makes up the rest.

When you buy a home in a decent area, you do not expect the council to put a nightmare family into one of the best houses in the area and pay all of their rent.

This particular family cause havoc and are well known locally as troublemakers. If they had to go out to work and pay for their home, they wouldn't have the time to sit up all night drinking throwing glass bottles into other people's gardens.

You would think that a LL would care about this but he is guaranteed his (extortionate) rent money from the council.

need_an_answer

PersianCatLady wrote: »

Some LLs may be pleased that you have informed them of their tenants behaviour and will consider that when deciding whether or not to renew their AST.

but after the initial AST the contract rolls onto periodic,I have never had to decide to renew any of my tenants contracts.Are you saying I should be considering interviewing my tenants to establish their behaviour before charging them to renew a contract that automatically rolls over.

slightly perplexed by your comments also later in the post please forgive me but an air of neighbour snobbery may be evident or am I hopefully just reading too much into it.

Anyway going back to the OP I also read that they were unaware when a change of tenant took place as it appeared that no board was displayed,possibly due to the fact that the LL does not use a LA and goes via gumtree and small ad's to advertise.Thats a way of cutting costs for both the tenant and LL and some may suggest filters out a different type of tenant who perhaps cant or doesn't want to pay large letting set up fees or who may fail more conventional credit checks.

I'm not defending bad LL's merely pointing out that even a "good respectable LL" if such thing exists will have problems and expense removing a tenant who isn't fitting into a neighbourhood for whatever reason,much easier done when though official channels.

PersianCatLady

need_an_answer wrote: »

but after the initial AST the contract rolls onto periodic,I have never had to decide to renew any of my tenants contracts.Are you saying I should be considering interviewing my tenants to establish their behaviour before charging them to renew a contract that automatically rolls over.

slightly perplexed by your comments also later in the post please forgive me but an air of neighbour snobbery may be evident or am I hopefully just reading too much into it.

Anyway going back to the OP I also read that they were unaware when a change of tenant took place as it appeared that no board was displayed,possibly due to the fact that the LL does not use a LA and goes via gumtree and small ad's to advertise.Thats a way of cutting costs for both the tenant and LL and some may suggest filters out a different type of tenant who perhaps cant or doesn't want to pay large letting set up fees or who may fail more conventional credit checks.

I'm not defending bad LL's merely pointing out that even a "good respectable LL" if such thing exists will have problems and expense removing a tenant who isn't fitting into a neighbourhood for whatever reason,much easier done when though official channels.

In our area, most LLs do 6/12 month contracts even though they could just have periodic tenancies.

A lot of tenants that I know personally actively dread the end of the 12 month AST and expect the S21 after the tenth month.

You mention getting rid of problem tenants through official channels, I was just wondering what these actually are because other than appealling to the better nature of a LL there are ways to get rid of a problem neighbour who is in SH but not one that is PR.

need_an_answer

PersianCatLady wrote: »

You mention getting rid of problem tenants through official channels, I was just wondering what these actually are because other than appealling to the better nature of a LL there are ways to get rid of a problem neighbour who is in SH but not one that is PR.

my fault I've re read my post and perhaps I didn't make it too clear.

By wording official channels I mean that you need to treat homeowners and tenants in the same manner.
If there is a problem with rubbish build up you can approach environmental health be that with a complaint about owner or tenant.

I actually see little good from trying to appeal to the better nature of a LL when there are channels in place listed on council websites who deal specifically with some of the issues you are umbrellaing as nuisance neighbour.
If you believe that illegal occurrences are taking place within a property as mentioned by the OP previously then my understanding is whether the property is owner occupied or rental the route to initially take would be crimestoppers or 111.
Environmental health deal with rubbish build up.
Noise levels can be monitored also by relevant channels.

ETC ETC.


Just because someone doesn't hold down a job and sits up drinking all night cannot be classed as a reason to demand eviction, however if they are littering your garden with broken bottles then you should be able to contact someone other than the LL to help educate them in the social skills of recycling.

Even if a LL were to go down the route of eviction then the costs can run into thousands,it isn't just a case of asking the tenant to leave on a set date so that the status quo of the neighbourhood can be restored.

It feels as if I've taken over enough of the OP's original thread.
Time for someone else to make appropriate suggestions and comments.

PersianCatLady

need_an_answer wrote: »

my fault I've re read my post and perhaps I didn't make it too clear.

By wording official channels I mean that you need to treat homeowners and tenants in the same manner.
If there is a problem with rubbish build up you can approach environmental health be that with a complaint about owner or tenant.

I actually see little good from trying to appeal to the better nature of a LL when there are channels in place listed on council websites who deal specifically with some of the issues you are umbrellaing as nuisance neighbour.
If you believe that illegal occurrences are taking place within a property as mentioned by the OP previously then my understanding is whether the property is owner occupied or rental the route to initially take would be crimestoppers or 111.
Environmental health deal with rubbish build up.
Noise levels can be monitored also by relevant channels.

ETC ETC.


Just because someone doesn't hold down a job and sits up drinking all night cannot be classed as a reason to demand eviction, however if they are littering your garden with broken bottles then you should be able to contact someone other than the LL to help educate them in the social skills of recycling.

Even if a LL were to go down the route of eviction then the costs can run into thousands,it isn't just a case of asking the tenant to leave on a set date so that the status quo of the neighbourhood can be restored.

It feels as if I've taken over enough of the OP's original thread.
Time for someone else to make appropriate suggestions and comments.

You are a lucky person.

If you believe that people can get any action taken against nightmare neighbours through the channels you have described then you have clearly never experienced the sheer hell that certain types of tenants put their neighbours through.

You as a LL are entitled to ignore or deal with any complaints that you receive about your tenants from their neighbours.

It isn't up to you to decide that people who have been subjected to neighbour abuse should not try every avenue open to them.

I used to trust in the official channels to help with nightmare neighbour issues but they don't.

PersianCatLady

Forgot to add - some LLs are actually grateful to know that their valuable investment property is being used as a drug den / party house and not being used as presented on inspection day.