Farmers' tractors / tractor + trailer combo

James_N

Thank you for the helpful replies. As for the others .. well, bless.

What we have is:

1. legal use on the road of the vehicles in question for clear agricultural purposes
2. no plates on the various trailers - but that's hardly a matter anyone would seriously be interested in unless there were other issues
3. choosing the road over farm tracks - his choice - no issue here
4. number of vehicle movements per day - not resolved but probably no-one would get involved.
5 Use of red diesel over 1.5 km between sites - being broken on a very regular basis according to the HMRC site (Crown Oil contradicts / obscures this).

The question is - is it wise to antagonise a person who is already on a mission to wind up another person (not me) by placing his stock here (smell / noise). Yes we are dealing with a individual on a mission to inconvenience another person on purpose - again, it's not me.

Where do I and about 20 others come into this? - his heavy machinery going past all day every day several times an hour while the stock is off the fields.

AndyMc.....

James_N wrote: »

Thank you for the helpful replies. As for the others .. well, bless.

What we have is:

1. legal use on the road of the vehicles in question for clear agricultural purposes
2. no plates on the various trailers - but that's hardly a matter anyone would seriously be interested in unless there were other issues
3. choosing the road over farm tracks - his choice - no issue here
4. number of vehicle movements per day - not resolved but probably no-one would get involved.Surely if he’s operating within the law he can make as many movements as he likes.
5 Use of red diesel over 1.5 km between sites - being broken on a very regular basis according to the HMRC site (Crown Oil contradicts / obscures this).Are you sure you’re not confusing yourself with the movement of plant between private premises.

The question is - is it wise to antagonise a person who is already on a mission to wind up another person (not me) by placing his stock here (smell / noise). Yes we are dealing with a individual on a mission to inconvenience another person on purpose - again, it's not me.

Where do I and about 20 others come into this? - his heavy machinery going past all day every day several times an hour while the stock is off the fields.

Still can’t see what he’s doing wrong.

James_N

AndyMc..... wrote: »

Still can’t see what he’s doing wrong.

what HMRC say is "two such areas" - and these are specifically his registered farm address and main buildings and the outlying premises he is accessing. What counts?

I think a CASE exists for abuse of red diesel regulations, the point is what's the tipping point between getting involved and putting up with it?

AndyMc.....

James_N wrote: »

what HMRC say is "two such areas" - and these are specifically his registered farm address and main buildings and the outlying premises he is accessing. What counts?

I think a CASE exists for abuse of red diesel regulations, the point is what's the tipping point between getting involved and putting up with it?

Well for starters you don’t know what fuel he’s running on.

unforeseen

The vehicles you are talking about are excepted under para 8.8 of Excise Notice 75.
Tractors are excepted vehicles under section 8.3 which makes no such limitations

MX5huggy

My reading of it is the 1.5k rule is for some vehicle that is not a tractor say a land rover pulling a sheep trailer. But the earlier paragraph

“where the vehicle is a tractor and it is designed and constructed primarily for off-road use and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes”

means a tractor can go as far as it likes with red in the tank as long as it’s agricultural purposes.

James_N

MX5huggy wrote: »

My reading of it is the 1.5k rule is for some vehicle that is not a tractor say a land rover pulling a sheep trailer. But the earlier paragraph

“where the vehicle is a tractor and it is designed and constructed primarily for off-road use and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes”

means a tractor can go as far as it likes with red in the tank as long as it’s agricultural purposes.

Right - I see. That means a tractor can go any distance, but not the landrover (say) running on red. Scuppers the potential complaint somewhat then.

Gloomendoom

MX5huggy wrote: »

My reading of it is the 1.5k rule is for some vehicle that is not a tractor say a land rover pulling a sheep trailer. But the earlier paragraph

“where the vehicle is a tractor and it is designed and constructed primarily for off-road use and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes”

means a tractor can go as far as it likes with red in the tank as long as it’s agricultural purposes.

A friend of mine is a farmer with several farms probably 15 miles apart. He regularly moves machinery between them on public roads using red diesel.

unforeseen

Land rovers are maybe a bad example because it tends to be the all purpose vehicle that does a lot of public road use so wouldn't normally use red.

More like quad bikes which would just need public roads to go from one field to another.

In my area the farms club together at harvest time and help each other so not unheard of to be stuck behind a line of tractors for 3 or 4 miles as they move from one farm to the next..

Car_54

James_N wrote: »

Thanks - when I need grammar help, I will ask for it.

But you seem to, and haven't.;)