Dipped drive - yellow line query

yoshiyella

Dear All,

I have a dipped driveway with a yellow line across it - based in Havering - does anyone know if I am ok to park there?

The recent Havering guidance says people can park in front of a dipped drive so long as they have the driveway owners permission but says nowt about the yellow line.

Have searched (someone is bound to come across the right search straightaway but I am tired after a 13 hour drive home to find the local church has taken over our street) but cannot find an answer.

Any advice would be grateful!

Happy New Year to all! :beer:

Davesnave

The access to/from the drive and the parking restriction involve different entities; one being yourself, and the other the local highways dept. It's illegal for someone to block you in, but not out.

If it's continuous line around all or other parts of the cu-de-sac then it's there as a general restriction, applying to everyone, even you.

If the council wanted to dissuade people just from parking in front of driveways, they'd surely use a double line, as there isn't a time when it's OK (assuming you are not the owner.)

In any event, it's highly unlikely anyone will care one way or the other on this particular night!

P.S. dipped driveway = dropped kerb

G_M

The dropped kerb (where used as access to a drive as opposed to a pedestrian crossing point) is an approved access and should not be obstructed without the consent of the owner of the drive in question.

see also: https://www.drivingtesttips.biz/dropped-kerb-parking.html

Can I park across my own dropped kerb?
To avoid being issued a PCN for parking across your own driveway where a dropped kerb has been implemented, contact your local council to confirm your residency details and make, models and registration of your vehicle.

The single yellow line should be accompanied by a sign indicatig what the restriction is. see
Along the edge of the carriageway


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

yoshiyella

Thanks for the replies so far.

Basically me and my next door neighbour both have dipped drives (dropped kerbs whatever you want to call them) and the only yellow lines on our road is across our drives.

The rest of the street is parking permits) which I have a permit for.

No signs indicating what the yellow lines are for.

I still don't know!

Doesn't help when Havering Parking team are useless.

G_M

I suspect if there is genuinely no sign/plate indicating the parking restrictions on the single yellow line, you would have grounds to appeal any parkig penalty notice.

However, check very carefully along the both sides of the entire road for a sign.

sevenhills

G_M wrote: »

I suspect if there is genuinely no sign/plate indicating the parking restrictions on the single yellow line, you would have grounds to appeal any parkig penalty notice.

However, check very carefully along the both sides of the entire road for a sign.

If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays.

No signs means they apply 24/7?

yoshiyella

Thank you for all replies - much appreciated.

A letter and stamp will be winging its way to Havering on January 2nd.

00ec25

you are crossing the kerb. The kerb does not belong to your driveway, it is the edge of the highway and is therefore a dropped kerb, not a "dipped drive".

has this yellow line suddenly appeared by magic? In order to paint a yellow line on the highway councils have to go through a very long winded process that leaves a clear trail of reasons, objections and justifications for painting it.

Possibly because you are not using the correct words you have failed to find the relevant guidance issued by Havering itself in relation to parking across "your own" dropped kerb?

https://www.havering.gov.uk/info/20004/parking/141/apply_for_a_dropped_kerb/2

eddddy

yoshiyella wrote: »

No signs indicating what the yellow lines are for.

Havering have Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) - are you sure that you are not within one of those zones?

If you are in a CPZ, there will be signs at the edge of the zone that tell you the parking restrictions that apply to single yellow lines within the zone.

Edit to add...

Here's an example. If there's a CPZ sign at the edge of a zone, there wouldn't be further signs beside each length of single yellow line:

noh

eddddy wrote: »

Havering have Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) - are you sure that you are not within one of those zones?

If you are in a CPZ, there will be signs at the edge of the zone that tell you the parking restrictions that apply to single yellow lines within the zone.

Here is a link to their info on CPZs and a map.
https://www.havering.gov.uk/info/20004/parking/326/controlled_parking_zones_and_restrictions

yoshiyella

eddddy wrote: »

Havering have Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) - are you sure that you are not within one of those zones?

If you are in a CPZ, there will be signs at the edge of the zone that tell you the parking restrictions that apply to single yellow lines within the zone.

Edit to add...

Here's an example of of a CPZ sign you would see at the edge of a zone:

Nothing like that at all on our street