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Pice comparisons without introductory rates

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Does anyone know of a price comparison site that lists non-introductory rates?

All the price comparison sites I have found list introductory rates. They are being very deceptive and helping to distort the whole market. It is hard to find real non-introductory rates even if you go to the websites.

Our Sky subscription (ADSL unlimited with line rental and international calls) costs £44/month. Is this competitive?

We are getting 8MBit in our bad area, and would be interested in upgrading to FTTC, and possibly adding a TV service. Could we get a better service anywhere for the price we are paying?

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  • JJ_Egan
    JJ_Egan Posts: 20,281 Forumite
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    Non introductory rates ?
    As in rates for existing customers ( that's a question of negotiation ) .
    Or do you the variable rate once contract ends ?( again negotiate as the contract then becomes a 30 day rolling contract your choice to pay .
  • If you mean full prices listed then no, I don't think you'll find that anywhere. People generally want to know what's the best value and that's always got to include the introductory offers. If they can't give you a good deal at the end of minimum term then you look for a better offer.

    I've just ran through a quick order on Sky for unlimited ADSL and Talk International Extra and it says the full price is £40.99. New customers pay £30.99 plus a one off £10 but with a £50 credit card offer so you're paying over the top regardless of how you look at it.

    Use the links at the top of this thread to research a better offer.
  • CSMR
    CSMR Posts: 27 Forumite
    JJ_Egan wrote: »
    Non introductory rates ?
    As in rates for existing customers ( that's a question of negotiation ) .
    You mean there aren't official prices and it's a matter of bargaining? Didn't know the UK works like that If it works by bargaining the question still stands: what is a good deal (one which doesn't automatically get more expensive) and who will offer it.
    If they can't give you a good deal at the end of minimum term then you look for a better offer.
    I thought it would automatically rise to a standard rate. Is that not public?
    I've just ran through a quick order on Sky for unlimited ADSL and Talk International Extra and it says the full price is £40.99. New customers pay £30.99 plus a one off £10 but with a £50 credit card offer so you're paying over the top regardless of how you look at it.

    Use the links at the top of this thread to research a better offer.
    There is a moneysavingexpert broadband tool at the top of this forum, which applies to the 5% of people who are happy to constantly switch provider. I don't, as I said, so that doesn't apply to me. Are there any other links?

    We can ask Sky why it is a few pounds over what is expected, but we want to know if other providers offer significantly better deals.
  • mije1983
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    CSMR wrote: »

    There is a moneysavingexpert broadband tool at the top of this forum, which applies to the 5% of people who are happy to constantly switch provider.

    As this is a money saving site, I think far more than 5% of people who access it are happy to switch. Most people here wish to save money, which means getting the best deal. That includes new customer offers.

    Also, it doesn't mean you HAVE to switch every year/18 months. Use the available offers to haggle with your currrent provider if you are insistent on not switching.

    It's not BB, but I haven't switched my car insurance for 3 years as my current provider keeps beating any offer I can find anywhere else. But I used those cheaper offers to get my current provider to lower their price.

    The only way I can think of to get what you want, is to look at each providers website. They will list what the price will be after the introductory offer is up.
  • JJ_Egan
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    I have not switched my BB for four years .
    Each year it has been negotiated down .

    Why would their be official prices in the UK .
    Retailers charge what the market will sign up to .Their is no Government yet to say this is the price .
  • [Deleted User]
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    edited 31 December 2017 at 12:23PM
    CSMR wrote: »
    I thought it would automatically rise to a standard rate. Is that not public?

    You think that there's a 'standard' price for broadband shared between all suppliers?

    Edit: Like others above I've had Sky TV & BB for 10 years and never paid full price, why would I want to. As long as the price is at least competitive with advertised prices of competitors I'm happy enough. I don't care what the full price is.
  • iniltous
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    edited 31 December 2017 at 8:01PM
    The price comparison sites will show what the price becomes after the initial 'discount' period, something like ' £20 for the first 12 months, £30 thereafter' so the info you want is probably available but may not be very helpful in establishing the 'real' cost..if you are really looking for a list of company's that don't do 'deals' , and just offer a competitive price from day one, then that may be harder to find....company's that don't offer introductory offers, cash back and other inducements , tend to be expensive in comparison to those 'mass market' company's that do , they probably will offer better customer service and technical support to justify the extra cost.

    Your current Sky deal doesn't seem good , given that Sky pretty much give away regular ADSL disguised as part of the 'line rental' cost in some deals, I would think you could easily get unlimited ADSL and line rental for around £20 a month ( after any introductory offer ) so you seem to be effectively paying £24 a month just for your calling plan.

    You could just call Sky , threaten to take your business elsewhere and see what they offer, or draw up your own list of providers using the after promotion period prices and decide from there...but as others have pointed out, given the type of money saving site this is, most would ' do the math' , say a company offered an 18 month deal, with 6 months half price /12 months full price and £150 cash back , they would simply work out how much you would actually 'pay' over the term after inducements , and divide that by 18 to get the 'real' monthly price, then compare that to other company's offers after doing the same process with their prices, remembering that in 18 months to do the whole thing again, or even earlier than 18 months if a price rise allows a penalty free change of provider..

    It may not be very dignified this 'haggle for everything' attitude , but (unfortunately) it's the world we live in , and in this dog eat dog world, there isn't much prospect of company's going back to regular , no inducement, no cash back, no introductory periods, just VFM monthly prices that are easy to compare to each other.
  • [Deleted User]
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    edited 21 January 2018 at 10:46AM
    iniltous wrote: »
    Your current Sky deal doesn't seem good , given that Sky pretty much give away regular ADSL disguised as part of the 'line rental' in some deals, I would think you could easily get unlimited ADSL and line rental for around £20 a month ( after any introductory offer ) so you seem to be effectively paying £24 a month just for your calling plan.

    Their new deal for ADSL is £18.99 + £19.95 set-up + £50 pre-paid Mastercard for 12 months or £18 + £9.95 set-up for TV subscribers (both new & existing) although no Mastercard.

    The OP is paying way over the odds even allowing for the International calls.
  • CSMR
    CSMR Posts: 27 Forumite
    Their new deals for ADSL is £18.99
    I can't see that on their site. http://www.sky.com/shop/broadband-talk/
    I see £28.99 a month (after an introductory period of £18) with no call plan included.
  • CSMR
    CSMR Posts: 27 Forumite
    iniltous wrote: »
    The price comparison sites will show what the price becomes after the initial 'discount' period, something like ' £20 for the first 12 months, £30 thereafter' so the info you want is probably available but may not be very helpful in establishing the 'real' cost..if you are really looking for a list of company's that don't do 'deals' , and just offer a competitive price from day one, then that may be harder to find....company's that don't offer introductory offers, cash back and other inducements , tend to be expensive in comparison to those 'mass market' company's that do , they probably will offer better customer service and technical support to justify the extra cost.
    Not looking for companies that don't give inducements, only want to compare companies without considering the inducements, since they are negligible in the long run.
    I would think you could easily get unlimited ADSL and line rental for around £20 a month ( after any introductory offer ) so you seem to be effectively paying £24 a month just for your calling plan.
    Erm OK I will try saying "can you give us free FTTC" but I think they will say no.
    You could just call Sky , threaten to take your business elsewhere and see what they offer, or draw up your own list of providers using the after promotion period prices and decide from there...but as others have pointed out, given the type of money saving site this is, most would ' do the math' , say a company offered an 18 month deal, with 6 months half price /12 months full price and £150 cash back , they would simply work out how much you would actually 'pay' over the term after inducements , and divide that by 18 to get the 'real' monthly price, then compare that to other company's offers after doing the same process with their prices, remembering that in 18 months to do the whole thing again, or even earlier than 18 months if a price rise allows a penalty free change of provider..
    Sounds like a huge amount of work to save £10/month! I hope someone does this and sets up a comparison website!

    Thanks for your advice anyway. Really annoying and inefficient market this is.
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