Self employment and WTC

Darksparkle

poppy12345 wrote: »

In a full service area she would have to claim UC not WTC. As stated in post #3.

Same still applies. Would still need to be registered self employed for UC.

poppy12345

Darksparkle wrote: »

Same still applies. Would still need to be registered self employed for UC.

I know that but the OP was asking if they could still claim WTC in full service area.

borkid

Dullville wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
It’s just a bit of office work I believe, filing, answering the phone etc.
I see where your coming from but I can see where the employer is coming from as well.
Why should he go through all the hassle of setting her up on the payroll and with HMRC and she doesn’t go back after 1 day?
It’s a well respected company in the local area.
The arrangement will be that she invoices him for the work she’s does and he will BACS the money into her account so there will be a paper and electronic trail.

There are rules about what constitutes self employment. If it's a single employer who provides insurance and equipment/ tools when she's at work I doubt she will. Maybe the employer should check with his/ her tax office first and get it in writing to safegaurd them both against problems in the future.

What's the problem with her employer putting her on say 3 or 6 month probationary period?

Icequeen99

Dullville wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
It’s just a bit of office work I believe, filing, answering the phone etc.
I see where your coming from but I can see where the employer is coming from as well.
Why should he go through all the hassle of setting her up on the payroll and with HMRC and she doesn’t go back after 1 day?
It’s a well respected company in the local area.
The arrangement will be that she invoices him for the work she’s does and he will BACS the money into her account so there will be a paper and electronic trail.

With respect, it isn't about how much hassle it is or indeed different perspectives it is about what the law says.

In this case there are no hallmarks of self-employment at all, an employer cannot choose to make someone self-employed because it is easier. There are tests to apply set down by HMRC.

You need to run the HMRC employment status tool as otherwise there could be problems for both of them especially if JC+ look at this as a bogus self-employment.

If the employer is already running a payroll then adding a person is very simple and takes a couple of minutes - even if they do just a one-off shift. It really is very simple. Far simpler than having to register as self-employed and file a tax return.

IQ

BorisThomson

Hi Dullville,

All the information is on the thread from the last time you asked the same question. Here you go ...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5694397

Please be careful of employers taking advantage of you by trying to persuade you that self employment is to your benefit. As a disabled person you would have legal protections from day one of any employment, self employment does not offer you anything.

poppy12345

Dullville wrote: »

In a full service area.
Currently receiving IB JSA with SDP( £180 per week) and high rate DLA care.
In the new year been offered the opportunity of 2 days a week employment but on a self employed basis, they will pay a set amount per hour for 16 hours a week but would personally have to pay tax and NI themselves.
Obviously as she’s receiving SDP she is single and lives alone.
Will she be able to claim WTC as she’s in a full service area or will she have to apply for UC?
Is it a simple process to claim WTC if eligible?
Thanks.

People spend a lot of time on this forum advicing others. Why post the same question 4 months after posting the last one. Were you expecting the answer to be different?

sheramber

you can check th status here

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/employed-or-self-employed

Dullville

poppy12345 wrote: »

People spend a lot of time on this forum advicing others. Why post the same question 4 months after posting the last one. Were you expecting the answer to be different?

Yep fair one, however it’s not my personal situation and had been asked again this question and had forgot I had even asked four months ago, so no I wasn’t expecting a different answer!