Leaseheld space & Double ticket

Quentin

Yes, that's the idea behind the appeal template - just to show a judge (should this get to a hearing) that you didn't ignore them

Coupon-mad

IPC firms are all the same, not sure why people ask about these ones at all, nor why anyone wants to amend the template? It's all pointless to overthink it.

Appeal once to look reasonable and send out a message that you are on MSE, not a clueless gullible victim.

Then ignore (NO IAS!) then wait for a LBCCC or court claim (if it happens), then defend and (likely) win. No effect on credit rating, no replying to debt collectors.

Job done.

Fruitcake

BarraDisciple wrote: »

Hey guys, I was wondering if, based on the questions below, I should amend this template, or is it OK for you? With this being a residential car park, does it still make sense to clarify I'm just the keeper?

Question 1: I already know who contracted them, not sure if they're landowner though.
Question 2: signs are pretty clear, I'm not questioning that. I should be free to ignore them if I didn't sign a contract with them.



Thank you!

A lot of thought has gone into creating the template appeals in the NEWBIES. The questions are there for a reason. The best questions to ask are the ones where you already know the answer, especially if the scammers give a different answer as you can then question its veracity.

As for the signs, do they really meet every requirement of the IPC CoP, and conform exactly to the ones in the Beavis case, and meet ICO requirements, have advertising consent, and state they have the right to override the terms of your lease?
I thought not.

BarraDisciple

Hi guys, cheers for the help.

I still haven't received any reply to my first appeal which I sent back in December. In your opinion, as the appeal process it's mail only, should I take that they didn't receive it and send it again or maybe they just ignored it?

It's such a sneaky way to handle appeals and make it hard for you to prove you sent it! They have a P.O Box which they probably never check...

The_Deep

This is a scam, and if/when CPM take these own space claims to court they invariably crash and burn, Some reading

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5662424

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/residential-parking.html

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/ukpc-lose-residential-case-charge-not.html

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GUEA_en-GBGB707GB707&q=UKPC+own+space&gws_rd=ssl

Quentin

BarraDisciple wrote: »

Hi guys, cheers for the help.

I still haven't received any reply to my first appeal which I sent back in December. In your opinion, as the appeal process it's mail only, should I take that they didn't receive it and send it again or maybe they just ignored it?

It's such a sneaky way to handle appeals and make it hard for you to prove you sent it! They have a P.O Box which they probably never check...

As advised both in this thread and the FAQ appeals to IPC companies are futile!


(When sending mail via the post get a posting certificate foc from the post office if you want proof you sent it)

BarraDisciple

I know that, just making sure I'm doing it just to show I didn't ignore it. Don't expect to get anything out of it to be honest. Thanks for certificate tip!

@The Deep cheers for the links! Just annoyed at the fact that they didn't even acknowledge my appeal.

The_Deep

They are not entirely futile.

If they ignore your appeal, the decision is plain silly as most of them are, ignores your points, stands the burden of proof on its head, misinterprets the law, as many of them to, you could show it to a judge. Bringing to his attention the links between Gladstones, IPC, and IAS.s

Half_way

Of this is your own space, why are you displaying a permit?

BarraDisciple

Hi guys, just a little update on this matter:

I just received what I believe to be a LBC from Gladst0nes, I will post it underneath and would like to know if you think it is. From what I've read from the Newbies thread, I should not ignore this and post a reply to them.

Here is what I received:

Total Amount Outstanding: £160

We have been instructed by UK Car Park Management Ltd in relation to the above debt.

It is our client's case that you are liable for these charges and we would like to draw your attention to the options that our client has in order to recover these from you.

The Supreme Court case of Beavis v Parking Eye [2015] recently con!!!64257;rmed the lawfulness of charges based in contract and their recoverability in Civil Law. Prior to this case being decided there had been a common misconception that such charges were unrecoverable. The law is now clear.

Our client now has the option to commence proceedings in the appropriate Civil Court.
This right exists for a period of 6 years (the limitation period) from the date of the parking charge although it is our client’s preference to resolve this matter as soon as possible.
A claim would result in an increase in the amount sought in terms of any Statutory Costs and Court Fees.

Our client would like to provide you with this opportunity to contact their agent to make full payment in the sum of £160 thereby avoiding the consideration of any future court action and any increase in the amount claimed.

Should you be in difficulty in making full payment then it may be possible fort them to agree a payment plan with you.

If you do not pay within the next 14 days, please keep our client and their agents (DRP) updated as to your current address to ensure that your ability to defend any such action is protected as any County Court Judgment or Decree can have a serious effect on a person's credit rating. It is therefore important that you are appraised of any future Court action.

In order that you are properly advised we would like to remind you of your ability to seek advice from below should you need to:

Most replies I've seen are very similar to the Appeal template points from the Newbies thread and probably wouldn't be relevant to my defence when this goes to court.

What do you think is the best response, considering this is a 'residential parking' issue?
Do you think I should start drafting a defence for when this goes to court?

Thank you all for the support