Kitchen Design Help

nssimpson

Hi Everyone

I was hoping that some design God/Goddess could help me come up with the perfect kitchen plan. Here's a plan showing the footprint (and a huge table, which we have):
https:// photos.app.goo.gl/Rfz5H25l0wBurVgs1

(As a new user I can't supply link so had to break it down using a space. If another user could post the full link I'd appreciate it.)

The door at the bottom left is the entrance into the kitchen (the door at the bottom right goes into our garage).

The top left are currently patio doors but I was planning to change them into a narrower window instead so kitchen units can run along both walls with wall cabinets running along the left wall.

The middle window wasn't going to be altered. The right opening will be patio doors (this is the extension that work begins on next week).

I want the following in the kitchen:
1x Full height integrated fridge
1x Full height integrated freezer
2x Integrated ovens, preferably not stacked
1x Larder for storage of ironing board, vac, etc
?x Larder for storing kitchen stuff
1x A breakfast bar with stools
Plus all the usual kitchen things.

I've come up with dozens of design ideas but nothing is quite right. The design I like the most situates the ovens away from any work surfaces so it's design over practicality.

Any designers on here got any tips?

Cheers

Nick

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Here's the link for you:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Rfz5H25l0wBurVgs1

Furts

Designers can be like artists, but without an eye for practicalities. Building folks would be asking fundamentals which do matter. Examples would be where are your drains, where are they going, where is the consumer unit, where is the boiler, where is the incoming water, should there be a utility area and so on.

Open plan kitchen living is fashionable, but fashions will change. Also consider this .. my kitchen has a separate area for the recycling boxes/bags, shoe racks, coat hangers, utility sink, boiler and such like. My back door acts like the main entrance to my home and all these items have to go somewhere. A utility area is not fashionable but it does serve a purpose.

I also have a pantry/properly built cupboard with a proper door. Vastly more can be stored in here than any so called larder unit manufactured by kitchen unit companies. Again this is not fashionable, but it is hugely practical, and hugely common sense. It will also never date, nor be subject to a kitchen refresh and expense.

martinsurrey

nssimpson wrote: »

Hi Everyone

I was hoping that some design God/Goddess could help me come up with the perfect kitchen plan. Here's a plan showing the footprint (and a huge table, which we have):
https:// photos.app.goo.gl/Rfz5H25l0wBurVgs1

(As a new user I can't supply link so had to break it down using a space. If another user could post the full link I'd appreciate it.)

The door at the bottom left is the entrance into the kitchen (the door at the bottom right goes into our garage).

The top left are currently patio doors but I was planning to change them into a narrower window instead so kitchen units can run along both walls with wall cabinets running along the left wall.

The middle window wasn't going to be altered. The right opening will be patio doors (this is the extension that work begins on next week).

I want the following in the kitchen:
1x Full height integrated fridge
1x Full height integrated freezer
2x Integrated ovens, preferably not stacked
1x Larder for storage of ironing board, vac, etc
?x Larder for storing kitchen stuff
1x A breakfast bar with stools
Plus all the usual kitchen things.

I've come up with dozens of design ideas but nothing is quite right. The design I like the most situates the ovens away from any work surfaces so it's design over practicality.

Any designers on here got any tips?

Cheers

Nick

its going to be pretty tight

you want 2 full height appliance (60cm each)
and a double width oven (60cm each)

so thats 2.4m across the left wall, add the corner unit and just those 4 items will take up all of the left wall (with some storage above/ below the ovens).

are you having a washing machine? Dishwasher? integrated microwave? where is the plumbing?

nssimpson

Spider... - Thanks for posting the link.

Furts...

Thanks for your input and those are very important questions. Basically the original dining area is on the left with the tiny kitchen in what will now be the middle of the plan I provided. The right hand side where is gets slightly narrower is the new build. I was having the wall knocked down to make it all open plan but I would consider keeping it separate if that works better with a design.

In terms of services, the builder will put them wherever we need them.

The bottom right door leads into our garage, which is where the boiler and washer/dryer currently is. We were planning to keep the standalone washer/dryer in there rather than getting a tiny integrated one put in the actual kitchen.

Martin... We want an integrated dishwasher and probably just a standalone microwave on the worktop.

Cheers

Nick

getmore4less

I think I would be thinking about keeping the kitchen stuff at the right side if that is where the access to the "utility" is.

will the garage door be new?

corner units are a problem just become wasted space.
If you ran a set of full hight along the full width of the right wall that would take a lot of the things you want.

then off the top wall a large worktop area/semi island to act as the main prep and breakfast bar area, could have sink and or/or hob in it.

but often you want a fridge nearer the area you hang out so maybe a second beer/drinks fridge at the end of the island.

With a table that big in that location the patio doors will difficult to get to might be better at the other end the other way round.

nssimpson

GetMore... Cheers for your input. The table isn't quite as big as that but it's the only one on the Magnet online planner. It extends to that size though. I didn't want to walk straight into the table from the lounge (which is what we currently do) so thought it would be nice in the extension. The extension also has velux windows so it'll be a nice area to sit.

The design I came up with is similar to this (although we now have two ovens instead of the one on this design):
https:// photos.app.goo.gl/sUPtCK6wrFJFUdCD2
(Please fix link for me since I still can't post them on here.)

I wanted to hear peoples ideas before supplying this because so far I've taken this into several design consultations and every time they say it's the best layout. Urm.

getmore4less

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sUPtCK6wrFJFUdCD2

getmore4less

what's going in the gap by the door to the living room?

I would go with full hight along that wall maybe with a shuttered area if you want some shelf space. that would be more storage than most would need.

The work service you have at the moment is not that social chances are it will just become cluttered.

make the breakfast bar area at least double width and move to the right a bit, then if someone is working preparing they can chat with the people at the bar.

could have a sink with cover etc. in that area.

not sure having ovens open into the walkway is good idea having that unit hold the fridge freezer maybe a coffee machine water cooler etc. would work.

Often the workspace floor area is made two big and you only really need room for one. moving the breakfast bar to the right gives more space in the other area.

IMO there is too much made of the sink under the window, these days with dishwashers most of the time it is used for prep work.

I think there is potential to get rid of the corner units and have nothing on the wall where the sink is currently

edit : depending on your garden.
thinking about it dropping the units under the window, might even be possible to keep a door and have access to an outdoor cooking BBQ area could even have sink and power etc and outdoor breakfast bar style with your other double doors opening on the seating patio area.

if a family do you have the need for a paperwork/notice board area.

the great thing about double width breakfast bar is kids can use if as a play area that is easy to clean after.

edit 2 just in case not obvious

I hate corner units, seem to be a way to sell very expensive units to try to make some of the space useful.

big fan of full hight, no gap above to gather dust and grease

nssimpson

The corner bit would have worktop but it's a place for our dog to sit. (Magnet's planner doesn't have a way of showing this).

The breakfast bar would be double width for an overhang but again the magnet planner doesn't allow me to do this.

The ovens in the walkway was one of my issues. I did come up with a few other layouts but nothing has really clicked yet. I don't want under counter ovens but that was one way of doing it.

I have reduced the bank of larders in one of the designs, moved the ovens to the end wall and had the breakfast bar on the other side. It means having a weird corner where the ovens are (or have them too close to the door from the lounge).

I'm sure there's a design that works perfectly but I just can't figure it out. It's a weird size because not big enough for an island but just big enough to provide confusion over the best layout.

getmore4less

I though about the breakfast bar off the wall with oven does not work you have a flow problem from the living room door.

You could still go full hight on the right wall with a doggy space.


On the lower wall a back to back full hight then breakfast bar longer without the current opposite wall units, that could have doggy space small shelf and wall boards or narrow depth cabinets for things like glasses.