Ryanair carries more 'posh people' than BA

budgetflyer

Its a numbers game Barcode, If you have more planes then you are statistically going to have more potential incidents.
You are scaremongering, Ryanair are probably based on numbers SAFER than any other airline. Efficiency does not mean unsafe. Sloppy management creates dangerous situations
For you to get a seat on your own, means Swiss Air havent sold 2 seats. Its not good customer service. Its just bad marketing and evenyually will be their downfall as it was previous when they went bust.
Legroom wise they are pretty much the same as anyone but better than most charters.
Service wise, apart from the scratchcards,(does cabin crew walking up the aisle ONCE saying "Scratchcards for sale" count as HARD SELL ?) I dont see any difference. They sell booze, food, perfume during the flight-thats it.

PasturesNew

My fear, travelling alone, is that I'd get stuck next to somebody's child, or (worse) somebody holding a sticky child.

I'm sure that a parent getting onto a plane, seeing a choice of a seat/s next to a female, or seat/s next to a bloke, would choose to stick their annoying, fidgety child next to me. Or would be holding a sticky child that perpetually reached out and/or dribbled (and smelt of poo)

Sam_Bee

Ryanair - no fatal incidents since their inception in 1985.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/eu_nofat.htm

Puts them on a par with the worlds very best airlines in terms if safety.

As Stelios said 'If you think safety in aviation is expensive, you should try having a crash'.

Barcode

budgetflyer wrote: »

Its a numbers game Barcode, If you have more planes then you are statistically going to have more potential incidents.
You are scaremongering, Ryanair are probably based on numbers SAFER than any other airline. Efficiency does not mean unsafe. Sloppy management creates dangerous situations

I think you've missed my point. It's not a numbers game. It's the company culture that have been a contributory factor which concerns me. The incident report with the descent into Rome stated that the pilot lacked almost total situational awareness. That is frightening. The same thing has been a direct factor in other crashes. The fact that a crash was prevented is not exactly the point - the situation should not have occurred in the first place.

Neither do I want to be on a plane with a pilot who could not correct a go-around, which is a fairly routine occurrence, and happens every day somewhere.

If you want to dismiss the incidents, then that's fine. I've drawn my own conclusions from the facts, and they are just as valid as your opinion. I reiterate: it does not matter if there has been one incident or ten. The point is that when they occur, it's often been the case that the pilot has flown because he was afraid of (as has happened) losing his job. On the face of it, this seems incredible. But that is the situation some pilots have experienced.

You're right that efficiency does not mean unsafe. I haven't said otherwise. The pilots themselves have complained of suffering fatigue after flying four segments a day with short turn around times. As I pointed out, this is not just a ryanair issue. If you think that sort of thing is fine, then I don't want to argue with you. This is my personal, subjective view. I simply think that there is more potential for errors in such a situation. I've chosen not to fly Ryanair after learning about such things. No reason to attack me for that choice.

Barcode

Sam_Bee wrote: »

Ryanair - no fatal incidents since their inception in 1985.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/eu_nofat.htm

Puts them on a par with the worlds very best airlines in terms if safety.

As Stelios said 'If you think safety in aviation is expensive, you should try having a crash'.

I'm not sure if you understand that list properly. Onur Air are on it. They have had a number of alarming incidents to the extent that they were banned from flying into the Netherlands, Germany, France and Switzerland. The fact that an airline is on that list does not eo ipso mean they are safe.

Sam_Bee

Barcode wrote: »

I'm not sure if you understand that list properly. Onur Air are on it. They have had a number of alarming incidents to the extent that they were banned from flying into the Netherlands, Germany, France and Switzerland. The fact that an airline is on that list does not eo ipso mean they are safe.

I do understand the list perfectly thanks. It tells me that Ryanair, with their hundreds of thousands of flights have yet to have a fatal accident. Statistically, I feel confident enough to travel on Ryanair, and likewise have confidence to fly on Onur Air, as familiarity with the CAA enables me to trust the extremely stringent rules that allow airlines to fly within UK airspace.

As a very frequent flyer, particularly on a number of 'unsafe' airlines (several Adam Air flights last year spring to mind) I'll look at facts rather than your inept scaremongering thank you.

Choose who you want to fly with by all means, but I know the flying remains the safest form of transport.

Barcode

O.k. That's your choice. I personally wouldn't want to fly with an airline that has been blacklisted by some countries.

I haven't said that flying per se is unsafe. I've said that I won't take my chances with an airline that has had incidents as a result of poor decision making by the pilots and/or management pressures. That you feel a need to insult me about that says more about you than me.

This debate is over. You're obviously too stupid to understand the technical facts about said incidents, and don't understand why they occurred in the first place.

bandraoi

Ryanair have alot more to lose from safety lapses than other airlines.

One crash with fatalities and it will take their business years to recover.
BA and other "high quality" airlines have a certain amount of trust and people believe in their corporate image. Most crashes would be put down to bad luck and people would continue to have confidence in them and continue to fly with them.

Ryanair on the other hand would find everyone suddenly willing to pay more for a seat and empty planes.

As such, from a business sense point of view, there is far more pressure on Ryanair to have optimal safety standards and procedures.

Barcode

I agree with you to an extent. There is a perception that low-cost airlines are, to some extent, unsafe (not true). I agree that it is Ryanairs interest to have stringent safety standards; it's unfortunate that some pilots have made mistakes whilst under pressure. Some of the incidents on my list are not terribly serious in isolation. But the Rome incident report makes for disturbing reading.

I'm not persuaded by claims that they have not yet had a crash. You don't have to crash to be unsafe. I would feel very apprehensive about flying with Onur Air given their record.

I'd have no problems flying with, say, Easyjet or Jet2. I've flown all over the world on more airlines and flights than I care to count. I know I might come across as being overly paranoid. I'm not out to scare anybody about Ryanair, and resent being personally attacked for my interpretation of the facts. It is not just me, but some ryanair pilots themselves that have raised concerns about poor airline management.

Sam_Bee

Barcode wrote: »

This debate is over. You're obviously too stupid to understand the technical facts about said incidents, and don't understand why they occurred in the first place.

Why say something so contentious and not be prepared to back it up?

"25 minute turn around times is not conducive to safety"
" I'd have no problems flying with, say, Easyjet or Jet2."

So, Easyjet with their 25 minute turn around is unsafe? Or not?

You list 6 incidents over the previous 5 years. Far fewer than than British Midland. Or Jet2. Check the facts, but you wont.

What bandraoi said is the most sensible post on here. People expect Ryanair to have a crash. But they don't and they can't afford to.

"The reasons I avoid Ryanair include (b) safety (I don't want to say too much about this as it'll just lead to an unecessary debate)"

That is scaremongering. The posturing if a plane spotter with a bee in his bonnet over Ryanair.