TV Licence - will they get a warrant?

scd3scd4

My widowed mum has a holiday home. One of these scum bags pressured her she needed two, one for each residence. Not true....


I cancelled it.

Cornucopia

scd3scd4 wrote: »

My widowed mum has a holiday home. One of these scum bags pressured her she needed two, one for each resident. Not true....


I cancelled it.

One for each resident? No, definitely not required.

One for each residence? That's a bit more complex.

HWW

Nick_C wrote: »

Possibly to check set top boxes for recordings? Possibly to check for use of BBC iPlayer?

Remember, PVR's can be moved! Any recordings may have been made in a licensed location, then moved for viewing to a location with no TV licence. Nothing against the law in that :T

scd3scd4

Cornucopia wrote: »

One for each resident? No, definitely not required.

One for each residence? That's a bit more complex.

Corrected.........


The way I understood it, no one lived/stayed at my mums main home when she was in her holiday home. Hence no second licence was needed. She explained all this to the clown.

Mr_Singleton

Cornucopia wrote: »

Correct.


Not correct. The Courts have accepted evidence of equipment that is installed and configured FOR RECEPTION as evidence of reception.

So, a person without a TV licence is unable to perfectly legally listen to radio through there TV?

Out of interest do you have any links for the install without evidence of reception? I’d be interested to know how long ago it was as I seem to remember a very famous? case suggesting quite the opposite.

Also doesn’t a TV have to be plugged in with arieal to get non-BBC catch-up services?

HWW

scd3scd4 wrote: »

Corrected.........


The way I understood it, no one lived/stayed at my mums main home when she was in her holiday home. Hence no second licence was needed. She explained all this to the clown.

He was no clown - he had his £20 bonus (should he sell an unneeded licence) in his greedy eyes, waste of time talking to them though.

HWW

scd3scd4 wrote: »

Corrected.........


The way I understood it, no one lived/stayed at my mums main home when she was in her holiday home. Hence no second licence was needed. She explained all this to the clown.

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

So, a person without a TV licence is unable to perfectly legally listen to radio through there TV?

Out of interest do you have any links for the install without evidence of reception? I’d be interested to know how long ago it was as I seem to remember a very famous? case suggesting quite the opposite.

Also doesn’t a TV have to be plugged in with arieal to get non-BBC catch-up services?

It as "AERIAL" BTW, & yes, you can use a TV or set top box, perfectly legally for Radio listening - provided that is all it is used for - with no TV licence.
Probably not an economical way to listen to the radio, there are better ways - but that is YOUR choice.
As you are under no obligation to speak to TVL salesmen/ladies - you should have no problem with this action.

Mr_Singleton

So back to the point I originally made.... what’s the point of a search warrant?

HWW

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

So back to the point I originally made.... what’s the point of a search warrant?

Probably a means getting entry to a residence, where they have been refused entry - to put the frighteners on you & get an admission from the resident. BUT they are supposed to have items of evidence to get the warrant in the first place.


It probably explains why SW's are very rare & I believe, getting rarer.


The whole "Enforcement system" depends on the ignorance of the law & the rights of the visited person. virtually all the prosecutions depend on the admission of guilt.


Simply saying nothing stops this legalised Harassment in one move.


Of course, should you actually be watching or recording Live TV, then you should possess a TV licence. But you should not be harassed for using a TV, for ANY other purpose - & there are plenty.

Cornucopia

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

So, a person without a TV licence is unable to perfectly legally listen to radio through there TV?

You can listen to the Radio using your TV without a TV Licence. However, when asked for information under FOI about how to configure such a set-up to avoid prosecution, BBC-TVL refused to provide any.

On that basis, I would always suggest not using a TV to listen to Freeview/Satellite Radio.

Out of interest do you have any links for the install without evidence of reception? I’d be interested to know how long ago it was as I seem to remember a very famous? case suggesting quite the opposite.

The only relatively famous TVL-related case was Rudd. It wasn't actually a TVL case, but was actually about pirate radio. However, it introduced a defence in law that an AV installation that would otherwise be unlawful, could be rendered lawful by the presentation to the Court of a legitimate lawful purpose for its existence. The onus of proof is on the defendant.

Also doesn’t a TV have to be plugged in with arieal to get non-BBC catch-up services?

No. Catch-up services are generally delivered via the Internet, and do not require an aerial connection. Sky/VM work somewhat differently, but they are not good candidates for being LLF anyway.