Tyre change tactics

Car_54

dom272 wrote: »

Hi,

I'm pretty annoyed with Ford. They also charged me £198 for my motorcraft service when their website says RRP £149.

The website actually says 'Recommended Retail Price' in full, just in case you don't know what RRP means.

dom272

Tarambor wrote: »

£149 is for the minor service. Did you also have them replace the pollen filter as this is not included in the price of the service and is a separate billable item for parts and labour.

As for rotating tyres, you've left it too late. You should be rotating them every 6000 miles or so which is lower than the service interval for your car and certainly not once the tread depth gets that low, even on the 4mm ones. Get two new ones, put them on the back, put the 4mm ones on the front. If you're getting the Cross Climate then replace them all.

Nope. I just sent it in for the motorcraft. No one mentioned major or minor or any options. I'm going to check my log book as this is my first motorcraft as before it was a different thing as the car was under 4yrs old.

As for rotating tyres. They've never mentioned it as an option in the 4yrs I've been going to them. I only found it about it when researching new tyres! It was in the continental website. Then I saw it advertised as part of the Ford motorcraft service. Fair enough if some don't want it but I would expect to be told about it as an option and given a brief explanation of pros and cons.

It's important to me as I could have had a couple more years on the tyres and changed all 4 of them at once to avoid this dilemma of front/back /all4 which nobody seems to agree on.

Does anyone have any tyre recommendations? I want longevity and safety which is why I thought crossclimate +would be a good idea. But I'm not going on any racetracks so I only need them to keep me safe during normal driving on roads and to last a long time.

Thanks for the replies so far. Lots of good advice /info.

Car_54

dom272 wrote: »

As for rotating tyres. They've never mentioned it as an option in the 4yrs I've been going to them. I only found it about it when researching new tyres! It was in the continental website. Then I saw it advertised as part of the Ford motorcraft service. Fair enough if some don't want it but I would expect to be told about it as an option and given a brief explanation of pros and cons.

Over the last 40 years, I've had more than 20 new or nearly-new cars from 11 different manufacturers.

All have been serviced by franchised dealers to the makers' specs, and exactly NONE have had the tyres rotated.

I'm at a loss as to why it would be offered as an option, unless you'd expect to be given a list of the zillion other things they could [STRIKE]rip you off for[/STRIKE] offer "to enhance your motoring experience".

Gloomendoom

dom272 wrote: »

Does anyone have any tyre recommendations?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92863/all-season-tyre-test-20172018-top-all-weather-tyres-tested

daveyjp

The only vehicles which may require tyre rotation as part of a service are 4x4s to ensure even wear and prevent problems with the 4wd system.

Iceweasel

I see that the Michelin Cross Climate is actually classed as a Summer tyre but with properties that allow it to carry the 3PMSF symbol (3 Peak Mountain Snow-Flake)

Several (perhaps all) of the others will be the same.

This is useful to know because tyres that are only M+S due to an 'aggressive' tread pattern, are no longer going to be classed as meeting Winter Equipment rules in the many countries where Winter tyres are a legal requirement.

Those who drive abroad, for skiing holidays in the Alps for example, need to be aware of this.

Already many countries demand that winter tyres have 4mm+ tread on them, but this new rule states that they must have the 3PMSV if manufactured after December this year

This will apply from the end of September 2024 which might seen a long way away, but it's actually only 7 Winter seasons.

It's not unusual to have a set of Winter tyres last 7 years or more - my own Winter tyres are about to enter their 5th Winter and have loads of tread left.

Here is the actual wording - in translation from German:

What is new is that it is no longer sufficient if the tyres are marked with an M + S mark.

Rather, § 2 Abs 3a of the StVO now refers to the new § 36 para 4 StVZO, which is why only such tyres are considered suitable for winter, with the Alpine symbol (mountain pictogram with snowflake)according to Regulation No. 117 of the Economic Commission United Nations for Europe (UNECE) - Standard conditions for the approval of tyres with regard to rolling noise and wet surface and / or rolling resistance (OJ L 218, 12.8.2016, p.

While the term "M + S" is not subject to uniform testing criteria, the Alpine symbol of the tyre must be compared with a standardized model and withstand uniform test procedures and strict criteria.

Until September 30, 2024, tyres with M + S markings are considered suitable for winter if they have been manufactured before December 31, 2017. With this very long transitional regime , the legislator wants to avoid financial hardships by allowing tyres that have already been produced or purchased to be used out.

Gloomendoom

I suspect that by 2024 most people running just M+S marked tyres today will have changed them for all-season tyres that comply with the new regs. Perhaps more than once.

kmb500

Why would Ford rotate your wheels?


And if you're that bothered about it why don't you change them yourself? It'll take like 15 minutes.

facade

kmb500 wrote: »

And if you're that bothered about it why don't you change them yourself? It'll take like 15 minutes.

(With a 2 post lift and a windy gun )

kmb500

facade wrote: »

(With a 2 post lift and a windy gun )

ever heard of a jack or a locking wheel nut?