Elite 11+ shopping and chat thread part 2½

fuzzgun19

aau1 wrote: »

Would you all stop winning the 5000s please? :mad:

I've only got 1x1000, 4x500 and 4x200

I'm taking the wife's car tonight so hopefully you will all have left some 5000s for me ....

Not just you I’ve only had 5&200s so far.

zippydooda

zippydooda wrote: »

did anyone else order the health watch from mymail a month ago. it said within 28 days. ive heard nothing. ive just emailed them.

ive got one watch delivered. phoned supplier ans auto response states all orders have been dispatched

Enterprise_1701C

redfox wrote: »

crikey I was lucky at Sains this morning! 4 x £10 of petrol produced 1 x 5000, 1 x 2000 and 2 x 1000 :eek:

Maybe they are being more generous this time because I am certainly not usually that lucky :think:

OH got some fuel and we got a 500, better than a kick up the ........

MKS

Reduced to clear in t £1 for a four pack. Had the tuna in spring water @ £1.35 for a four pack.

Fusion crisps worked, bbq ones didn’t but sa put it through manually.

Savvybuyer

braveheart60uk wrote: »

I wish I was as eloquent with words. I find concentrating for more than a few minutes on something almost impossible. Thankfully my job requires small, intense, bursts of concentration.
The spectrum is add it days on the label, a spectrum ., for the past few days my Kryptonium has been intense colour, I see such intensity, I am lost for words. Beautiful sky and cloud colours, and so on. Oops over running work break lol.

I've probably missed the point and then not realised, for years on end, that I have missed the point. When I was doing my job, I did it, from my perspective, efficiently, properly and completely. There were never any problems as I did the job right - albeit sometimes took a little long but that's how long the job took. The extra time it took me (because I was doing the full job) was so slight that they didn't really notice it too much and never gave them any problems with me. Interactions with 'customers' were never as good as everyone else, but I wasn't in a shop and wasn't always involved in having to do those side of things a lot anyway. There may have been a greater likelihood of misunderstandings but they didn't arise very often anyway, on the rare occasion there was any it was very slight and no problems ever really arose from it.

I have (possibly) missed the point though as I was doing the job completely but, now you've told me, I bet my job really required small intense bursts of concentration. That's what it now occurs to me everyone else was giving it. It's because it's set up in a non-autistic world and that's what people do. It's that top-slicing again, moving onto something seemingly at random, leaving everything unfinished, that I found was the way that people did the job when, in the latter years, they gave me a workplace assessment - ostensibly to try to help me and suit work to me when my disability was diagnosed - problems hadn't actually arisen from my disability in work, it was outside work that was affecting me and I was bringing in, so actually had I not had the outside problems I would have been continuing very successfully like I had always been doing in work for over the decade before. The problems weren't the reason I eventually left. An opportunity to leave arose, which I took, and it turned out to be the best decision I have ever made. There wasn't any attempt to get rid of me and, had I not taken the opportunity, I would have continued and remained there.

The assessment made me aware, for the first time, about how most people work. It tried to get me to work in the same (what I think is inefficient) way (it's not generally seen as inefficient because that's how most things are done). I could do it - I could work the way other people did - even though it wasn't ideal for me and it was quite hectic, so I passed the assessment very well. And then I went straight back to doing things the way I've always done anyway:rotfl:. Once again no problems arose with my work that caused them any concern, even though I was doing everything efficiently, unfortunately picking up and doing work that other people had missed (not just one person - the whole lot of them). As the job tasks were shared to all of us, I wasn't stepping outside of any remit or procedures and causing any problems. I was more likely to stick to the book than any others, but certainly wouldn't get anyone into trouble, and sometimes, with procedures, you just let things go even though you shouldn't. But then everyone else was letting those things go, so there was no issue.

I think actually the situation was that people weren't doing all the things they ought to have, techincally, been doing. They were doing most of them but missing things, that I was doing on the parts that got to me. An email would be sent around, every few months or years on a different issue each time, reminding people what they should be doing that their quality checks had picked up on that they had missed - and, of course, I read the emails fully, found that I was already doing the thing everyone else was missing - really the emails were only applicable to everyone else - and they'd then start doing it for a few weeks and then seemingly forget - only I would still be keeping doing what should be done by that stage - and then later another email, on something else that I was already doing and always had been doing from the start, that obviously they'd now noticed everyone except me was not doing.

I am not infallible - I did miss things out, very rarely. But, when I did, I always knew that I had done so - invariably I tried to get the paperwork back so I could do what I had remembered I had missed - sometimes events had overtaken and everything was fine - I bet it was still fine even if I hadn't managed to get the papers back - but I think there were a precise total of only about four things I missed, one of which was ticking the next date on something, so hardly a big thing (you could see the future date anyway and it wass obvious it was the next one) - four things I didn't do in over a decade. I am perfect really:rotfl: - and I would show people up if only they knew, if only they checked, in detail, and found any omissions they found (they were unlikely to find the four, technically, mistakes that I made) were never ever me.

Actually I am wrong (I'm always wrong but can't help it:rotfl:) - I actually mitigated a large number of things, which would have had the unintended result (from my doing my job right) that things that other people had missed earlier would not be seen as they had now been done (by me again) so the emails really must have come from paperwork that never happened to come to me. Of course, all of this sounds unbelievable, so no-one else would ever believe it if I had tried to say it - the problem is people don't believe the truth, because it sounds impossible to be true, I wouldn't be believed because anyone who normally claimed this would be thought to be bragging, when they were, and wouldn't be believed but the thing is, with me, it was actually true. Anyway, they would get the right words and be convincing enough to be believed, and then be promoted, whilst, if I was to attempt to tell them the truth, I would get the words wrong and real problems would have arisen with something I said. So I just stayed quiet, caused no problems and stayed in a job I was happy to do. I actually liked my job - it was the perfect job for me: and I think not a lot of people can truthfully say that. I like not doing that job and doing what I am doing now as well, so I am not unhappy that I am not doing the job anymore.

Actually, this now leads on to being 'eloquent with words' (or it did had I not just added another sentence of clarification in there). 'Eloquent with words' was what I was going to deal with but I had just gone writing on about something else and I am now going to deal with it.

There's three areas here:

(1) I am eloquent with words in writing.

In other communication however, it's a case of either -

(2) it's a specialist interest and then I waffle on endlessly with the right words coming straight from my mouth. No one is listening, certainly not after three or four sentences, and I don't even detect that they aren't listening. (I think most people are not interested in the sense of - "I'm not interested in that, it's not relevant" or "it's too hard" (in other words too difficult having the effort of listening to such what seems complex thing). Of course, to me, everything is relevant and they have missed the point.)
Social converstaion is not rocket science. I think that's the problem though. It would be easy if it was:rotfl:.

(3) it's a matter that isn't one of my specialist interests, about which, of course, I know 'everything' (well, maybe not totally literally but perhaps quite a lot about and certainly way more than almost everyone else) and then either it's a simple thing that people generally, and myself, don't really have to think about - such as saying "thank you" when the cashier gives you your change and going and asking the post office clerk for some postage stamps (haven't done that for ages - does anyone do that very often anymore?), except, if they happen mention the weather rather than just saying "there you are" and I then say "thanks" and leave in the way that everyone would do, then then get three sentences on meteorology when I should have said just one sentence and certainly not mentioned about Met office technical data. Or else it's a conversation where I have to do and ask someone for something more complicated, or I have to try to persuade them to give me something (almost never successfully), and then I fluff and faff and can't find the right words at all. So I am not eloquent with words there at all. In these last situations, I have to think in advance and prepare every exact word I want to say and then memorise it all, so a lot of effort being put onto me, and then, when I go and try to say what I have memorised, if it works and I actually end up saying it, it comes out at the wrong speed or wrong tone but most times it does not - no matter what I have memorised, all right and correct and what I actually wanted to say, I then end up sayng something else and it comes out wrongly and I never get what I wanted. It always do - I have my perfect thing there, what I wanted to say, and then I'm never able to say it - I always put my foot into it. Or they'll ask something and I have no idea what to say, so reply with something wrong. Not wrong in any sense of disrespectful. Just not the right thing to say (whatever that is:rotfl:) in order to persuade them. Or I reveal, truthfully, faults with myself or, as well as reasons to give me what I want, also tell them reasons to turn me down (in my attempt to be truthful and correct) and then the negative things give them every reason to reject me. I just don't help my own case: I'm too fair-minded and objective. And no-one believes me, as I am doing the same thing now.

I can sometimes get things right, saying what I wanted to say (in non-written text - in written text, everything comes out right). However, thinking the right words in advance of asking someone for something, takes me so much brain power, real effort to think of what is right to say - and, even then, most of the time I don't know - I often only manage to do so by asking others for advice (and then asking other people again later on something else, even though I ought to have got the message right from last time) and then, after the effort of devising the right words in advance (helped by others sometimes, which does help), it's then another effort to say those right words in the right way.

If you managed to read all this, well done!:) If not, get an autistic person to read it for you - but don't expect them to be able to explain it to you. They may need to put it into writing to explain it better, but then will probably write it out in an essay like this that you also won't be able to understand:rotfl:. (They might be better explaining it to you one-to-one, just you and them but... you'll have to be really willing to maintain interest and miht not undeerstand it even then:rotfl:)

Actually, none of this is about social conversation. It's about asking questions, seeking information, rather than doing social back-and-forth conversation.

I don't think I've ever really truly done that in my life. It's always been a seeking of useful information. I've never been able to get edgeways into a social conversation between NTs - or if I have said anything it has come too late. When I have said anything, it's not really been interesting to people - although I am nice to talk with and they get along with me - it's been some academic point or posing a question again but they've then ended up talking among themselves with me sitting next to them and not ble to speak and say what I wanted to do when I wanted to say something in response to what someone then said (in other words, you know, try to actually input into the conversation. I do try - I have the words in my head, want to say something relevant to what they've said but the group just doesn't stop chatting and they aren't asking me anything or looking at me for anything I am wanting to say).

I never really make friends but they are colleagues etc. People now know I have autism. Even now they do, they still, whenever they get into a conversation, start immediately chatting among themselves and then ignoring me (which I don't think they are doing intentionally). I've even expressed a wish, one-to-one where 'conversation' with me does work, that they try to involve me, ask me things etc. They still don't, even after me doing that. The problem, I think, is that they would have to remember that, when in the conversation, in order to do it. I think, once they are talking to other people, in the conversation, there's no room for anything else other than them doing the conversation. They literally forget, when in the conversation. In order to remember to ask me and involve me, they woud have to fail to do what is necessary in order to continue having the conversation (all between themselves and inadvertently excluding me). Very rarely I have had things, where people have turned from a conversation - which they have probably already finished anyway (I do not know:rotfl:) to say something to me - and reveal that I should have done some bizarre thing that is pointless and makes no sense to me. It involves doing unnecessary things that serve no point and waste time and resources but which, apparently, are what people normally do. I have missed the point though - they are not "unnecessary", instead they are necessary, to make people feel good, by pretending about something that is not the case and giving them a misleading impression about what you really wanted from them. I thought everyone would think what makes sense. Apparently, however, I am the only one that seems to me to have any sense and everyone else thinks does something (that I have managed never to be aware of for decades and decades) that makes no sense. I have no idea why people generally think they are getting something good by wasting both their and my time. If I don't do it, apparently I should have done but, if I do, they just end up wasting my time as well as giving something to me that I don't need and that they would have had use for. They actually like the thing. I don't. But I'm supposed to accept it from them even though I don't like it and have no use for it. Yes I turned the thing down and shouldn't have done:rotfl:! I found out only several hours afterwards, from someone else.

And I won't change - I'd still do the same thing again! I know - even though it is a slight 'social mistake' but I can't do it any other way to the way I do. I feel awkward taking what I don't want, and more so, awkward and uncomfortable at lying to them that I want it. It's either you or me that is going to be uncomfortable - and, I'm sorry, it ain't going to be me anymore (as I have had too much discomfort in my life). I generally just stay away from those social situations so they don't arise in the first place:rotfl:. But that's then why I don't have friends. But what people should do is offer me something, that they maybe don't want, that is of use to me. Because I have stuff and will give them stuff that they have use for. To me, two happy parties, both giving and getting from each other something of use to them both. Instead of pointless waste of time that satisfies no-one Except that, if it happened the way it was 'supposed to', they'd end up worse off, without something that was of use to them and somehow feel happy about that. I'm not unhappy at getting what is of no use to me - but I have to accept it from you and then put it into the bin away from you, behind your back. That's what I'd be doing and, because you wouldn't know, you'd be left happy:wall:! I wouldn't be unhappy, except for the discomfort at telling you I wanted it when I did not, but it's just wasting my time as I'm only going to put it into the bin. (I didn't say, if I accept it, I'll put it into the bin as that would have upset you even if it was what I was going to do. I know better than that. However, I can't accept something I don't actually want - and have no use for. I thought answering "no, it's alright thanks" in therefore a polite way when you asked me if I wanted it was the right thing to do. Only to be advised a few hours later, by someone else when away from you, you take it even though you don't want it.)

Is not logic though is it, that's the whole point. It's about making people happy by accepting something they offered, to make them feel good. So I understand it on a theoretical level as I am intelligent, but in the situation I still can't get it right as I am not intelligent (in the sense of not socially intelligent). It's about making people feel good, even though the same people, if I was to follow what I was supposed to do, would make me feel bad and therefore they would now not be considering their own rule of making others feel good (namely myself now). However, I fail to get the point again - as the rule then isn't a rule and doesn't apply in that context. It's suddenly disapplied - there isn't a social rule at all. Then there is another thing that apparently happens and is why it seemed to me that people were avoiding me even though they weren't. I was eventually informed of it only when one of the other people became aware that I have Asperger's. They explained why this was happening. It makes absolutely no sense to me why people would go away from me to do that. It's obviously a social thing between other people that makes them feel good. The person, before leaving me said, "don't worry, we're not leaving you, this is why we go away, so don't feel we're abandoning you". They then left. I then still did feel abandoned and it made me feel bad. (:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: - in retrospect when not in the situation and realising it happens because I have Asperger's - is that not discrimination:think:? But anyway, not going down that road because written down laws don't really apply. Meaning society contradicts itself yet again, claiming to have discrimination provisions and writing them down, but they don't really mean it. That's because, when it comes to the way society behaves, then any adjustment is claimed not to be "reasonable". Oh we wouldn't do that. Why not - you said you would here. Because now it doesn't really apply. (:rotfl::rotfl: again.) Again, it's my internal thought here - I certainly wouldn't be bringing out law on them as that's not the right thing to do, even though I know it and will keep quiet about it. Telling people you know-all is frowned upon.

It is - you know I am right. Once again:rotfl:. I am absolutely perceptive and straight to the point.

I don't know - I am not on this planet to make friends. I think I have a different role. I am here to put things like this, that try to help to increase understanding, that challenge and question and make you think about why you do things in order to make them more right and correct and helpful to everyone in future and make them better for everyone. By putting things right where they were wrong, and by helping make people think about being more clear in what they say, I am actually helping the world for everyone.

pippo

redfox wrote: »

crikey I was lucky at Sains this morning! 4 x £10 of petrol produced 1 x 5000, 1 x 2000 and 2 x 1000 :eek:

Maybe they are being more generous this time because I am certainly not usually that lucky :think:

Well done RF!

pippo

aau1 wrote: »

Would you all stop winning the 5000s please? :mad:

I've only got 1x1000, 4x500 and 4x200

I'm taking the wife's car tonight so hopefully you will all have left some 5000s for me ....

Me too, came on here really pleased with myself with 1 x 2000, 1 x 1000, 2 x 500 + 1 x 200!

First time round had a really jolly attendant in the filling station, wishing me luck, that's when I got 200. I said it's ok i'll be back in a minute, went in to pay he said 'you've just missed it, that chap just got 5000' :mad:

Still I'm happy with what I got and I struggle to spend points at Sainsbugs, even in the double up.

pippo

Busylizzie wrote: »

Just logging in quickly to say I've just been to Tesco Risborough and they have mags and crisps. HTH someone.

I was there last week! - got a 'few' mags and gave them to DS's Mil and explained. She lives just around the corner so I do hope she uses them.

lesliejack

very odd in Sains today, no signs re till spits, no enthusiasm from staff, in fact nobody seemed to know what they were doing
we got 1000 each, happy with that
had lunch in the cafe, burnt chips & bacon, had to ask for a refund
just a dismal shopping experience all round really.

altojack

tweets wrote: »

:eek: Glad you didn't grab your coat :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oh there you are. I wondered when you'd turn up .

Have you been to Tesco lately? I mean since 2010 :cool: