Civil Enforcement Ltd - Help & Guidance needed please

Lamilad

!must have been confused by the title of the thread - Civil Enforcement Ltd -!Help & Guidance needed please!which....strangely.....is the nature of my post?

Crazy how that happens.

Not really! You were "confused" because you haven't read the sticky threads at the top of page one which explain forum rules and etiquette.

I will be sure to point others to this website for help and advise on situations like mine.

Please also "point" them to the sticky threads so that they don't try to hijack someone else's thread.

Until then, thanks again and i will be sure to recommend you highly to others.

No need. The success rate of this forum speaks for itself.

Good luck with your case. I think you've blown your toes off here.

Loadsofchildren123

We don't need recommending, we're busy enough. We're happy to help anyone who comes here, and that's what we do. However, as we all have our own day jobs and lives (for instance, I have a full time job and am a single mother to 4 school-age children) we do hope and expect posters to make it easier for us by keeping their own questions on their own threads - there are currently dozens of live, recent CEL threads. All have their own distinct facts, albeit most have common issues (which is why we tell newbies to gem up by reading the other threads).


It gets highly confusing for different cases to be merged by dealing with them on the same thread. You're simply asked politely to set up your own thread. This is Maxbrum's. Maxbrum wants help and advice. If we end up giving it to others on his/her thread, Maxbrum's issues get "lost" and (s)he gets confused.


That is all. If you want to go off in a huff offended by our requests to abide by forum etiquette, it doesn't matter to us because the next poster will be along in 30 seconds. Likewise if you tell all your friends that we are not very nice, it doesn't matter to us. But anyone who comes here will get sound and invaluable advice if they make it just a bit easier for us.


If I was you, I'd get over yourself and start again with a new thread. You will get the help you need and you simply won't get better tailor-made advice than on here.

Umkomaas

olliejb wrote: »

Thank you kindly Umkomaas, your comments are both helpful and constructive.

I must have been confused by the title of the thread - Civil Enforcement Ltd - Help & Guidance needed please which....strangely.....is the nature of my post?

Crazy how that happens.

I will be sure to point others to this website for help and advise on situations like mine.

Until then, thanks again and i will be sure to recommend you highly to others...:T

If you found the advice I gave too difficult to handle, how on earth are you going to handle a PPC or (potentially) an adversarial advocate working for them in the county court.

Good luck.

Loadsofchildren123

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/73392313#Comment_73392313

Coupon-mad

Maxbrum1 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

Finally received the POC today which is dated 11th Oct, 2017 and has a post mark of 1 Nov.
I have drafted the letter which i am going to send it to the courts and CEL, points taken from LOC123 letter which she had drafted for one of the posters here.

Can you please review it, and see if i have added the dates correctly.

Thanks for all your help and support in advance.

Dear XXXXX

Claim number [xxxxxxx]

I am writing to draw to your attention that the Claimant has deliberately backdated the Particulars Of Claim which were served separate to the Claim Form pursuant to CPR Rule 7.4(1)(b).

The Claim form was issued on 11th October, stating that the Particulars of Claim would be provided to me within 14 days after service of the claim form.

The further Particulars of Claim and covering letter were sent under cover of 1st Nov. As such, according to Rule 6.3(b) they were served on 2nd Nov, However, they were dated the 11th October. which means that my defense is therefore not due until the 16th November (Rule 15.4(1)(a)).

The Claimant has made a poor attempt to conceal the actual date on which it served the further Particulars by backdating them by 21 days, together with the covering letter. This is clearly demonstrated by the post mark on the envelope they arrived in, which shows the date of posting as 1st Nov, a copy of which I have provided as evidence.
The Civil Procedure Rules are quite clear – under Rule 3.8 the court should apply the santions unless the Claimant has applied for relief under 3.9.

I cannot fathom any reason for the Claimant having backdated its further Particulars of Claim, other than to try to gain an advantage by making it appear that I have filed my defence late, or by confusing me into having to rush to file my defence prematurely. This is a serious matter and I ask that this is formally noted on the court file.

This is a commercial Claimant pursuing many other claims of this nature. It must therefore have knowledge of, and understand, the Civil Procedure Rules and these sorts of blatant breaches should not be allowed because they prejudice Litigants in Person who are not versed in court procedures and the court rules. It is with some difficulty that I have understood the various obligations and time limits set out in the Civil Procedure Rules, as a Litigant in Person, whereas the commercial Claimant has no such excuse.

Yours Faithfully

If the POC were backdated and you kept the envelope that proved they were not posted when dated, PLEASE NOW forward the complaint you made to the CCBC, to another email address.

We need LOTS of these to fly into a specific inbox now:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/73400735#Comment_73400735

Once that has been done, please confirm. We need to bombard the CCBC (specifically to Amanda Beck who is aware of this scam) with evidence about CEL.

Do this - even if you've already emailed a complaint - PLEASE forward it now!

Maxbrum1

Hi Coupon - mad

I did complain to Amanda Beck and this is the email i received today. Seems like CEL will get away scratch free for this blatant abuse.

Any comments guys.

Good morning,

Further to your correspondence regarding the claim made against you, I see from our system that you have filed a defence.

The County Court Business centre is not able to deal with complaints against Civil Enforcement Ltd; if you wish to file a complaint then this should be made direct to Civil Enforcement Ltd. Alternatively you can make an N244 application to a District Judge. Guidance has been attached along with the Help with Fees guidance.

Please note Court staff are not legally trained and cannot provide legal advice. If you are uncertain how to proceed, the Civil Procedure Rules available on the Ministry of Justice website provide details. On many occasions it is best for people to seek professional legal advice from a solicitor, legal executive, legal advice agency or Citizens Advice Bureau. You can also contact Community Legal Advice for free on 0845 345 43 45 or via their website.



Regards,



L. Webb
Northampton County Court Business Centre
St Katherine's House
St Katherine's Street
Northampton
NN1 2LH
0300 123 1057/01604 619402 - MCOL Helpdesk
0300 123 1056/01604 619400 - CCBC Helpdesk
ccbc@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk

“I am not authorised to bind the Ministry of Justice contractually, nor to make representations or other statements which may bind the Ministry of Justice in any way via electronic means”.

Umkomaas

Read the last 2 pages of this thread. You need to be all over these CEL threads to be bang up to date every day - otherwise you’re in danger of missing important information. Don’t isolate yourself within your own thread.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/73412492#Comment_73412492

Maxbrum1

Umkomaas wrote: »

Read the last 2 pages of this thread. You need to be all over these CEL threads to be bang up to date every day - otherwise you’re in danger of missing important information. Don’t isolate yourself within your own thread.



Yes you rite, need to be on the ball.

Maxbrum1

Hi Guys

Its finally all over, had a hearing on 3rd May, but as CEL did not pay the £25 fees the case was stuck out on the 2nd May. I would like to thank all the forum regulars for their valuable help, advice and support, in particular Loadsofchildren123 and Coupon-mad. You guys are doing amazing job, please keep up the good work.

Coupon-mad

Yay! Did you turn up and claim your costs?