Premier Parking Ltd - Unfair Ticket

MysticGotenks

Redx wrote: »

not according to the SUPREME COURT 2 years ago in the BEAVIS case (well , £85 actually but the BPA CoP and the IPC would and do deem £100 to be the limit)

so you and us may think so, but legally that argument wont wash and all the PPC has to do is say BEAVIS your honour , so dont open up that can of worms

here in manchester , you might get a tram ride for say £5 , but if you fail to have a valid ticket they say the STANDARD FARE is £100

Thought as much with that point.

MysticGotenks

Redx wrote: »

use the blue text appeal seeing as its a BPA member

clause #13 , grace periods may well apply , never mind poor signage , no contract etc

The blue text appeal will be used in the appeal - highlighting the grace period?

Coupon-mad

MysticGotenks wrote: »

Again - it WILL be paid if there is no right to appeal.

Why? No-one here does that. People sometimes lose at POPLA but we don't pay these nasty ex-clamper firms, you know!

http://www.britishparking.co.uk/BPA-Approved-Operators

Can't see 'Premier Parking Ltd'. No such firm. Are you sure you don't mean Premier Park?

You won't win on Grace periods for 17 minutes and would do better to get evidence of the awful signs, in readiness for a strong POPLA appeal. Anyone got a dashcam? If not get a passenger to film driving in there, and parking, and looking for signs, in the same light conditions. POPLA like a video, and photos taken in the same darkness - with no flash - when your main argument will be awful/unlit and scarce signs.

In fact I would appeal to PP in these words, not using a template:

The driver drove into Trinity Street car park (Digbeth, Birmingham) around 7pm on a Saturday and was in there for 17 minutes. The cars were with another car. Now - the drivers never got out of the car as they were attempting to find out a) if they had to pay and b) where they could pay. The drivers stayed in the car with the belief being they would drive off if they could not get it sorted before a ticket-man arrived.

The signage was awful - the entire car park seems to be a protected graffiti destination, and as the entrance to the car park are crushed black cars, they are not even sure if there was any signage on the outside, even with it being dark.

Not being able to sort it, along with not being sure if it would be safe/legal to just leave the cars there (there was no clear signage near where the cars were parked that the car park was operated 24/7), the drivers decided to leave.

Was the PCN received within 14 days?

MysticGotenks

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Why? No-one here does that. People sometimes lose at POPLA but we don't pay these nasty ex-clamper firms, you know!

http://www.britishparking.co.uk/BPA-Approved-Operators

Can't see 'Premier Parking Ltd'. No such firm. Are you sure you don't mean Premier Park?

Premier Park, yes. And I only meant it would be paid if we were not in a position to appeal (i.e. just getting away with it).

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You won't win on Grace periods for 17 minutes and would do better to get evidence of the awful signs, in readiness for a strong POPLA appeal. Anyone got a dashcam? If not get a passenger to film driving in there, and parking, and looking for signs, in the same light conditions. POPLA like a video, and photos taken in the same darkness - with no flash - when your main argument will be awful/unlit and scarce signs.

This is a great idea and something we will do asap.

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Was the PCN received within 14 days?

Indeed.

nosferatu1001

Even if they deny the appeal - they will deny it - and POPLA somehow deny it, you still dont pay.

MysticGotenks

nosferatu1001 wrote: »

Even if they deny the appeal - they will deny it - and POPLA somehow deny it, you still dont pay.

And they'll just keep sending notices until one day they stop?

KeithP

MysticGotenks wrote: »

And they'll just keep sending notices until one day they stop?

Either that or they start court proceedings.

MysticGotenks

So the keeper appealed (blue text etc) and the main point of their reply was as follows:

"We must therefore request that the details of the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention are supplied; this must include their full name and serviceable UK postal address. If you are unwilling or unable to provide these details the registered keeper of this vehicle will remain liable for this PCN. This information should be provided by 23rd November 2017. Please note, Premier Park Limited will not reply to any correspondence until after the above date, if the requested information is not provided."

Should the keeper release these details?

Umkomaas

Should the keeper release these details?

Only if you want to lose the most precious protection for the keeper - PoFA 2012.

I would respond saying that you have already submitted your initial appeal and you have nothing further to add to it. Please get on with making your decision and send me my POPLA code where I will prevail.

Redx

MysticGotenks wrote: »

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"We must therefore request that the details of the driver of the vehicle at the time of the contravention are supplied

Should the keeper release these details?

definitely NOT

either sit on your hands and await a popla code

or write a rebuttal as umkomaas says , then await your popla code

whatever you say of do , YOU , as KEEPER, are awaiting a popla code (or they will cancel which is extremely unlikely)