Told neighbor I pay for trampoline damage if I'm responsible, but am I responsible?

vikingaero

Forecast is for strong winds tonight, so as a responsible trampoline owner I've check the tie downs to ensure I don't cause misery to my neighbours. Being responsible is frowned upon here...

Mercdriver

vikingaero wrote: »

Forecast is for strong winds tonight, so as a responsible trampoline owner I've check the tie downs to ensure I don't cause misery to my neighbours. Being responsible is frowned upon here...

So you resurrected a thread just to say that? Give yourself a pat on the back...

seatbeltnoob

sevenhills wrote: »

But replacing a roof panel is much more difficult and harder to get a perfect result, than repairing the old one.
I assume its not bolted on? The OP should at least require three quotes.

yeah, i wonder how theyre going to weld on a new roof, welding process inherently bends thin metal due to heat. so they'll probably end up needinf filler anyway.

ALSO, it's just a bloody car. A car that costs £7000 new (so a very low end one at that), the guy is treating it like it some sort of priceless art of historical significance.

Cars parked up on the public road get dinged and scratches. Binmen knock their bins on cars, random people lean on them and put their drink cans on the roof while they do their shoelaces etc.

If the dents bother him he needs to get a typical body filler repair done and painted over. replacing the whole roof is just excessive;

AdrianC

seatbeltnoob wrote: »

welding process inherently bends thin metal due to heat

Only if you're terminally incompetent.

Even ignoring roofs being bonded (glued) onto many modern cars, how do you think cars are made in the first place?

seatbeltnoob

AdrianC wrote: »

Only if you're terminally incompetent.

Even ignoring roofs being bonded (glued) onto many modern cars, how do you think cars are made in the first place?

machines do a better job at this sort of stuff. I'm not sure what cars have their roofs glued on, i thought it was a no-no as the roof is a crucial safety feature of the car and designed to absorb the impact of the car on a collision.

AdrianC

seatbeltnoob wrote: »

machines do a better job at this sort of stuff. I'm not sure what cars have their roofs glued on, i thought it was a no-no as the roof is a crucial safety feature of the car and designed to absorb the impact of the car on a collision.

For a start, look for cars with panoramic roofs - the structure's the same between the glass and steel versions, yet glass doesn't weld very well...

Bonding does not mean weak.

seatbeltnoob

AdrianC wrote: »

For a start, look for cars with panoramic roofs - the structure's the same between the glass and steel versions, yet glass doesn't weld very well...

Bonding does not mean weak.

car with glass roof will have stronger beams that do not require a panel for more rigidity. they will compensate for lack of welded sheet metal in other ways. if the car has metal roof then it will be welded in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948284/Couple-awarded-42m-body-shop-GLUED-car-roof.html

in this case the glued roof which was factory welded, compromised the safety cage and cause the fuel tank to rupture causing severe burns on the occupants.

as I said machines are much better at this delicate welds than people. welding 1mm sheet steel is tricky, it can melt and contort very easily, there's no way a person can weld on a new roof and make it flawless how the "injured party" is expecting, they'll end up using filler anyway.

Warwick_Hunt

seatbeltnoob wrote: »

car with glass roof will have stronger beams that do not require a panel for more rigidity. if the car has metal roof then it will be welded in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948284/Couple-awarded-42m-body-shop-GLUED-car-roof.html

in this case the glued roof which was factory welded, compromised the safety cage and cause the fuel tank to rupture causing severe burns on the occupants.

as I said machines are much better at this delicate welds than people. welding 1mm sheet steel is tricky, it can melt and contort very easily, there's no way a person can weld on a new roof and make it flawless how the "injured party" is expecting, they'll end up using filler anyway.

Some machines will be better than a bad human and a good one will be better than a machine.

AdrianC

seatbeltnoob wrote: »

car with glass roof will have stronger beams that do not require a panel for more rigidity. they will compensate for lack of welded sheet metal in other ways. if the car has metal roof then it will be welded in.

Not always. I've already referred to the many modern cars that have the option of a panoramic roof, where the structure is the same between the two, and the only difference is the roof skin material.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4948284/Couple-awarded-42m-body-shop-GLUED-car-roof.html

Meanwhile, here's a grown-up article on the same incident.
http://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2017/07/31/1m-lawsuit-texas-body-shops-disregard-for-honda-repair-procedures-caused-injuries-in-fiery-crash/

Shall we play spot the difference between that and the Wail's over-simplified hyperbole?

in this case the glued roof which was factory welded, compromised the safety cage and cause the fuel tank to rupture causing severe burns on the occupants.

Even ignoring the fact that one particular car (launched a decade ago) requires a welded roof, and how that is different to every car requiring it... Look at the pictures and tell me the roof is the sole problem there...




Bear in mind that that is what we get as the Honda Jazz, while this is what it hit damn-near head-on...


The grown-up article even refers to a missing fuel tank cover.

as I said machines are much better at this delicate welds than people. welding 1mm sheet steel is tricky, it can melt and contort very easily, there's no way a person can weld on a new roof and make it flawless how the "injured party" is expecting, they'll end up using filler anyway.

So you're arguing that the Honda you mentioned should have simply been written off because of the hail damage to the roof skin, since it wasn't repairable?

Strange, then, how I know quite a few people who manage to weld 0.7mm steel on car bodies regularly without distortion.

seatbeltnoob

AdrianC I can see that you're very petty and when you proven to be incorrect you will go away from the point at hand and come up with your own scenarios where your POV is reinforced.

1. How many £7000 rrp cars come with panoramic roofs and how do you even know that the panoramic option has the same roof structure as the steel version?

2. you just linked to another article proving the same point that steel roofs that were factory welded need to be welded to the roof beams, it cannot be glued on. Seems like you're argueing over the lawsuit amounts which was reported as $42M in DM and then reported as $1M on your link. But the crux of the point remains a welded roof was replaced with a glued roof which caused serious injuries during a collision.

3. You are detracting from the original point. Injured part has a £7000 retail car, it's going to be a tincan on wheels and needs every work carried out to be on factory spec. Most certainly welded roofs, and the welds will at the very lease leave dimples which will need to be filled anyway.