Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

I wanted to 'thwart' brexit less than I wanted a Lib Dem government.

It was a general election and not a referendum - the choice wasn't binary.

Yeah right.

They say a dog is for life, not just for Christmas.

..which is true.

A political party is not 'for life' though. Brexit is potentially longer reaching. You balance tactics with strategy.

You knew the manifesto each major party stood on. You therefore had the chance. I believe the LibDems were at least honest, with regards to Brexit.

But...as you say, I can't determine how important Brexit was for you.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

You were in favour of brexit - I assume you didn't vote UKIP because they were most in favour of brexit? No of course not so why assume the opposite?
...

You assume incorrectly

I did indeed vote UKIP, but then I have met all the local candidates (apart from the Labour candidate).

Malthusian

Herzlos wrote: »

I'd be stunned if the brexiteers wouldn't be in a forth outrage had the tables been turned.

Lucky for you then that Leave won and spared you the cranial trauma.

When the Status Quo wins a referendum, the response by Time For Change is pretty much universally a shrug of the shoulders and "well, we tried". See for example the Scottish referendum. Apart from a tiny minority of frothing nationalists (who have always been in a permanent state of froth, even before the referendum was called, so their froth had nothing to do with the outcome), nobody cares much now.

See also the Irish referendum on the European constitution - when the Eurocrats got their way at the second attempt, there was limited outrage. Anti-EU campaigners pretty much universally accepted that they'd lost and there wasn't anything to be gained by moaning.

Frothing outrage is a Remainer trait. The Status Quo has two weapons, fear and more fear. "If you vote for change, bad things will happen." When people vote for change and bad things don't happen, there are only two possible options: 1) rationally admit that you were wrong and reevaluate your beliefs, 2) dial up the fear another notch. "If my prediction was wrong, then it must be even worse than I'd thought." Humans being what they are, especially humans ruled by emotion and fear, they generally go for 2). The better things are, the more they have to froth. The quieter things are, the more they have to shout to make it seem otherwise.

If Remain had won, Cameron and co would have breathed a sigh of relief and everyone would have moved on after a week.

iro

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:'the word is no'

Matt_L

Malthusian wrote: »

Lucky for you then that Leave won and spared you the cranial trauma.

When the Status Quo wins a referendum, the response by Time For Change is pretty much universally a shrug of the shoulders and "well, we tried". See for example the Scottish referendum. Apart from a tiny minority of frothing nationalists (who have always been in a permanent state of froth, even before the referendum was called, so their froth had nothing to do with the outcome), nobody cares much now.

See also the Irish referendum on the European constitution - when the Eurocrats got their way at the second attempt, there was limited outrage. Anti-EU campaigners pretty much universally accepted that they'd lost and there wasn't anything to be gained by moaning.

Frothing outrage is a Remainer trait. The Status Quo has two weapons, fear and more fear. "If you vote for change, bad things will happen." When people vote for change and bad things don't happen, there are only two possible options: 1) rationally admit that you were wrong and reevaluate your beliefs, 2) dial up the fear another notch. "If my prediction was wrong, then it must be even worse than I'd thought." Humans being what they are, especially humans ruled by emotion and fear, they generally go for 2). The better things are, the more they have to froth. The quieter things are, the more they have to shout to make it seem otherwise.

If Remain had won, Cameron and co would have breathed a sigh of relief and everyone would have moved on after a week.

An excellent post, precise, to the point and truthful....

iro

Frank Field MP what a proper politician looks like and sounds like.

'the word is no' good to see Damien remainiac handed his a---:rotfl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dGr85lpWTpU

at about 45 seconds:rotfl:

iro

ilovehouses wrote: »

Frothing outrage is a trait of people on the extremes of any argument. Just look at those two headlines posted earlier. Or Nigel Farage who has spent the last decade puce with outrage.

That would be Nigel Farage a man who I believe Kenneth Clarke described as the most successful politician of the age.

Enterprise_1701C

Why does everyone keep saying that remaining in the eu would have been the status quo?

Their aim for 'ever closer union' means that it will be in a constant state of flux, and it will not stop until everyone is in the economy destroying euro, and all taxes and budgets are centrally controlled. The wish in brussels to become a federal state or europe is undeniable.

How can total change be the status quo!

iro

ilovehouses wrote: »

Well I'd disagree but that's by the by but the point I was making is that he's made a living out of being angry. i.e. frothiness isn't limited to remainiacs.

He made a living by being on the right side of history and if this was the 'x factor' of politicians he got over 17.4 million votes in the public vote (that is 17.4 million more votes than Lord Adonis), it just the 'experts' in the studio disagreed.

Whether you agree or disagree with Nigel Farage he went from a single individual to a political movement that overturned not only our EU membership but the normal course of UK politics.

UKIP polled the largest number of votes in the 2014 European elections (including mine) a fact that I not embarrassed about nor am I apologetic, abashed or ashamed.:)

kabayiri

Nigel Farage is pretty jovial with people who phone into his radio show.

If you want condescending tone, combined with sneering attitude, look no further than James O Brien.

Farage has been the singular most influential person in British politics for a generation. Arise Sir Nige !