Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

UK to host a summit to encourage the Balkan states to join the EU. You couldn't make it up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-summit-why-join-eu-balkans-serbia-albania-berlin-process-a8347111.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1526215806

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

UK to host a summit to encourage the Balkan states to join the EU. You couldn't make it up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-summit-why-join-eu-balkans-serbia-albania-berlin-process-a8347111.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1526215806

And yet in its' desperation to somehow prove Brexit wrong like so many remainers have done and continue to do, that's exactly what the so-called "Independent" is attempting. This event was mentioned on The Berlin Process website in a story on 7th May, a week ago and it looks like the Independent just got wind of it. Plus it must be slow for anti-Brexit news, I suppose.
http://wb-csf.eu/op-eds/ensuring-the-impact-of-the-western-balkans-civil-society-on-the-regional-processes/

So while we are still members of the EU, all activities pertaining to the EU in any way must cease immediately because we will leave? No; we are not the EU who have shown this to be what they want as with Galileo and more. Besides; the Visegrad Group could probably do with some support post-Brexit and the Balkan states would be ideal candidates to further promote division within the EU.

Herzlos

It's not an attempt to prove it wrong, get over the victim complex.

Either way it's surreal.

Lornapink

In a further referendum, how would Remain be defined?

Remain how? Remain means many different things depending who you ask, and the EU would certainly have their own definition of what Remain would entail.

Lornapink

Experts. Almost to a person predicted Trump would be a disaster.


Fake news champions, CNN, reveal latest poll showing majority say country doing better now than under Obama;
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-americans-believe-country-is-doing-well-poll

gfplux

We appear to be in a false war or dawn as nothing about Brexit is moving forward or back.

gfplux

It looks as if the transition deal is getting a green light to be extended as forecast.

From Politico today.

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Fascinating intervention in the customs debate last night from arch-Remainer Damian Green, who suggests Theresa May may have backed the wrong horse with her;customs partnership; idea. Appearing on the BBCs Westminster Hour, the PMs former right-hand man said he believes the Brexiteers;;max fac customs plan will win the day. ;I think the most likely end point will be wha;s called maximum facilitation; some variant of that, Green said. He then added: I personally am not yet convinced that you could have that in place by the end of 2020, by the end of the implementation period. And therefore you might need to bolt on to that another period a sort of transition period into that so we know not only that it works, but that it works from Day
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westernpromise

Lornapink wrote: »

Remain how? Remain means many different things depending who you ask, and the EU would certainly have their own definition of what Remain would entail.

This was exactly my issue: Remain in what?

We hear a lot from Remain about the NHS / £350 million "lie" but we hear less about the logically identical fiction that we could Remain in something completely static that Remain would get to define.

What we'd really be Remaining in would be a trajectory to integration into a German-led Europe. Now if that's a good idea, and it might be, Remain needed to stand up, say so, and explain why we should abolish the UK. History tells us that this has never happened - what usually happens instead is that some idea is mooted, Remainers avant la lettre scoff at it and say it's just an idea that'll never happen, then we're told it's all been agreed and it's too late, and then it happens. I rather think the reason the dirty proles had the bad manners to vote Leave was that a fair few were sufficiently pi55ed off by decades of this that they thought they'd bu99er it up.

I didn't vote at all because both campaigns were so poor and so mendacious, but I suspect that a big part of Remain's credibility problem was that its cause has often previously been advanced by trickery or bad faith - referendums ignored, treaties voted down being renamed and reintroduced anyway, the likelihood of mass immigration denied, and so on. If there had ever been a "Let's abolish the UK and become a province of Germany" campaign, in which this goal was honestly admitted to and argued for, it might have been different. Instead it is always denied that this is the goal at the same time as everything the EU does is clearly designed to achieve it.

This being so, not many people were going to believe Remain then or now when they say that Leave lied.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

In a further referendum, how would Remain be defined?

Remain a full member of the EU, with a seat at the table guiding direction and taking advantage of the economic, scientific and security benefits of membership.

This will cost us about £167m (compared to £8.3bn in seamless trade) a week but gives us seamless trade with the EU and partner countries, shared costs for all of the agencies and security systems, VISA free access to the EU.


How would you define Leave at this stage?

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Experts. Almost to a person predicted Trump would be a disaster.


Fake news champions, CNN, reveal latest poll showing majority say country doing better now than under Obama;
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-americans-believe-country-is-doing-well-poll

They don't seem to be saying the country is doing well because of Trump, though. Who still has the lowest rating in a long time.


It can be said that he has had some benefit; he's kept all the politicians distracted so that agencies can largely get on with their jobs.