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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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Yep.
Tories now polling 5 points above Labour. The UK’s Brexit majority exerting itself perhaps?
More a sign of an utterly useless opposition me thinks.
- Windrush scandal
- Breast-screening scandal
- Rendition scandal
- NHS crisis
- Social Care in crisis
- Prison Service in crisis
- Tories sexual misconduct
- Adult social care crisis
- Economy grinding to a halt
Any opposition worth its mettle would make mincemeat of this government.Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0 -
Yep.
Tories now polling 5 points above Labour. The UK’s Brexit majority exerting itself perhaps?
More that the Tories have hoovered up UKIP voters while remain is split between Labour, Lib Dems, Green and SNP.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I'll just add "legal finances" to the list of things Brexit isn't about along with... oh everything.This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »When the best you can do when trying to defend your side from being convicted of cheating is to compare them to bankers, it's pretty safe to assume you have lost the moral high ground...;)
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There was no moral high ground Hamish.
That was Remain's big big mistake.
Osborne was like you...quoting spurious figures talking about losses by 2030, when real people were worrying what is happening now, not years into the future. Height of arrogance really.
They haven't changed either. Every Leaver is of course stupid (but wealthy); selfish; old; uneducated (but educated enough to tick a box). Same old polarising messages.
Team Leave didn't win the referendum. Team Remain blew it. Harsh, but fair.0 -
There was no moral high ground Hamish.
That was Remain's big big mistake..
Yes.
Remain was full of decent, honest people talking about complicated realities and probabilities of outcomes.
Leave was full of people regurgitating 1930's German propaganda posters and screaming out their lies about 'BREAKING POINT' and 'TURKEY IS JOINING' and £350 MILLION FOR THE NHS'.
Clearly taking the moral high ground lost us the vote on the day - but we lost the battle, not the war, as is becoming more clear as every month passes.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
There was no moral high ground Hamish.
That was Remain's big big mistake.
Osborne was like you...quoting spurious figures talking about losses by 2030, when real people were worrying what is happening now, not years into the future. Height of arrogance really.
They haven't changed either. Every Leaver is of course stupid (but wealthy); selfish; old; uneducated (but educated enough to tick a box). Same old polarising messages.
Team Leave didn't win the referendum. Team Remain blew it. Harsh, but fair.
It's impossible to interpret this as anything other than racism. Like 80% of the rest of the leave campaign. The other 20% was stupid wishful thinking.
If you think this is "winning" you have an odd interpretation of the word.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Yes.
Remain was full of decent, honest people ......
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
..........If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
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If you think this is "winning" you have an odd interpretation of the word.
I didn't even see the billboard ad in question.
In a binary referendum, one side wins, one side loses.
There is no other interpretation than this fact. The vote was about the EU. You either like it or you don't. Nothing odd about that whatsoever.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Yes.
Remain was full of decent, honest people talking about complicated realities and probabilities of outcomes.
Leave was full of people regurgitating 1930's German propaganda posters and screaming out their lies about 'BREAKING POINT' and 'TURKEY IS JOINING' and £350 MILLION FOR THE NHS'.
I was genuinely undecided and abstained because both sides were blatantly lying and fabricating nonsense. One side was saying "free money" and the other was saying "vote for us or puppies will die". Both sides were saying the other side's supporters were evil, Remain perhaps slightly more shrilly. Both sides were equally untruthful and entirely unworthy of support,
To vote for either would have lent the process a credibility that it did not deserve.0 -
I didn't even see the billboard ad in question.
Plenty did though.
Agreed. Leave won the advisory referendum by the smallest of margins. Unfortunately, if Leave get what they want, they'll still lose out.In a binary referendum, one side wins, one side loses..
Can we stop arguing over which side lied the most? They were both dreadful and we're long beyond that stage.0
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