Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

iro wrote: »

Star Trek captain on BBC Marr if 'people's vote' rejects vote we stay in the union'

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I am now officially a klingon leaver!

Only 348 days to #FYEU Day!

:T

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face as the country you purport to love so much goes down the plug hole over the coming years.

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Do keep up please, instead of waving your Wolfie Smith-style urban guerilla waffle at people who laugh at it as they did at Citizen Smith.

'Waving your Wolfie Smith- style urban guerilla waffle'

???:p
I think it can be safely said Arklight writes a lot better than you mate. That was bad even for you!

iro

Moby wrote: »

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face as the country you purport to love so much goes down the plug hole over the coming years.

That whole kinder, gentler approach to Leavers still going well I see.

You are correct 'I will be laughing' when this clock hits zero

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

You will not, I suspect, be joining our 'third country' celebrations I guess?

:rotfl:

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

Any chance of having all that in English please?

We are not "out of the EU" yet. We don't have any say on animal welfare in any country other than our own, why should we? Does the EU have any say on animal welfare in non-EU countries?

And above all, what's the point of your post, because we've been through it all a few pages ago. Or do you want to return to buses, wars and recessions too? Do keep up please, instead of waving your Wolfie Smith-style urban guerilla waffle at people who laugh at it as they did at Citizen Smith.

Bit before my time I'm afraid.

gfplux

I suspect the, Brexit means Brexit will go down in history to join The Pound in your pocket.

Tromking

Wealth is relative and even within a relatively affluent western country, there are disparities in wealth that are often stark and can effect the life chances of individual citizens. Already UK workers are seeing their wages rise thanks to a drop in EU inward immigration to these shores.
Who are you to say the motivations of others to improve their life chances are self indulgent?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Tromking wrote: »

Already UK workers are seeing their wages rise thanks to a drop in EU inward immigration to these shores.

That is false.

Average real wages rose by 2% above inflation in each of the two years before the referendum.

Real wages have fallen to 1% below inflation in the year after the referendum, and remain in negative territory today.

wunferall

An interesting read from Politico on changing alliances within the EU following the UK's stated desire to leave.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-redraws-eu-alliances-coalitions-stop-france-and-germany-deeper-integration/

Far from increasing integration it does look like Brexit will just magnify divisions within the EU.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

That is false.

Average real wages rose by 2% above inflation in each of the two years before the referendum.

Real wages have fallen to 1% below inflation in the year after the referendum, and remain in negative territory today.

None of which has anything to do with Brexit.

Arklight

ilovehouses wrote: »

Interesting read from the Ermine who posts around these boards.

https://simplelivingsomerset.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/brexit/#more-12065

From the point of view of researching why the majority voted leave. He gets it in the second paragraph IMO but does make an effort to go beyond a dislike of foreign people.

From the article:

I never really liked the common Remain narrative that just over half my fellow countrymen were racist twits. Britain is a relatively tolerant country IMO. 5% of ’em may be racist twits, 50%, no.

I detest what Brexit has done to my personal interests – it devalued the value of my pension by ~20%, I will have to apply for Schengen visas just to get off this septic isle just as I enter the phase of life where I will be doing more international travel. Some of the things Brexit voters care about I just don’t – I am not after unskilled work and I think that the winds of automation will have a far greater effect on employment than EU immigration.

On the other hand I get the sovereignty issue a little bit more, although to my mind if we are going to throw off the yoke of European diktats then we should just as keen to throwing off the yoke of the domestic oligarchy and vested interests. I understand a little more why EU membership sat less well with British cultural assumptions, the what is not allowed is forbidden versus what is not forbidden is allowed. Hannan made a fair case that we are the exception with this in the EU.

Many Brexiteers, quite apart from being the free thinking rebels they believe themselves to be, are in fact just conforming to what they are told to conform to.

English people (for it is predominantly they who want Brexit) culturally believe themselves to be highly individualistic. But in my travels around the world I don’t see much evidence for this. English, and also American culture which sprang from England, is very conservative, deferent to authority, and conformist, which goes a good way towards explaining these countries success in empire building.

You can’t starve a Frenchman and tell him to fight for you in Africa, or make him work in your factory for a pittance. He'll overthrow you and chop your head off at the former and barricade you in your own office at the latter.

But Anglo-Saxons will put up with this. They'll grumble and moan but there'll be no revolution or protest.

The sight of people of working class heroes marching off to vote for Brexit one month as a protest against the elite, then going off a few months later to vote Jacob William Rees-Mogg and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson back into government just illustrates the point.

Brexit isn’t a sign of Brits thinking for themselves. Again.