Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You remember the statement that Turkey would never be able to join the eu? Tusk and Juncker are meeting with Erdogan in Romania tomorrow.

In their invitation to the Turkish leader, the EU officials said the meeting would be "a good opportunity to jointly assess matters of mutual interest and recent developments in your country, including in the area of the rule of law and fundamental freedoms, which remain fundamental to the fabric of and prospects for the EU-Turkey relations".

If they do become members then, considering how porous their borders are, you might as well count Iraq, Iran and Syria as members, all they have to do is slip across the border and they will be unstoppable.

It is also worth mentioning that Bulgaria is keen on Turkey joining the eu.

So, another step along to road to that impossibility of Turkey becoming a member, along with the denial that there would be an eu army more of the untruths of the remain side are becoming obvious.

One of the biggest supporters of Turkish accession to the EU, was the UK led by David Cameron.

Even assuming Brexit supporters can come up with a reason that Turkey shouldn't join, other than handbag clutching horror at all the brown faces that might "flood in", Turkey is a long way from meeting any of the criteria for joining. The main progress made on secularism and human rights was put in place to meet joining criteria but Turks have given up on that now.

Cakeguts

Moby wrote: »

What facts?
Imo We won't collapse....It will be a slow managed decline.
Listen to May and everything she says is designed to minimise the damage of the vote while respecting the decision of the vote. The drive for brexit came from marginalised groups up North and in the Midlands. Their reasons for voting brexit while perfectly understandable, were primarily motivated by fears and anger regarding immigration. People who think it was a positive vote for global opportunities away from the shackles of the EU are naive at best. Can you show me the evidence that's been produced showing us how the North and Midlands economies are going to be revived by our new trading agreements when we leave? The simple fact is London is the economic engine of this country. That will remain the case and the Northern regions will remain as they are....but in future they will be even poorer.

Which poorer Northern regions? I am going assume that you count Manchester and Leeds as Midlands.

The point about Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds is that they have their own economies that are not based on what happens in the EU unlike London that is.

The place that is likely to do less well after BREXIT is London. That would be a good thing because then it might become a more affordable place to live. Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds will be mostly unaffected. The problem with assuming that the rest of the country is like London is a mistake.

Herzlos

The forecasts put out by the department for exiting the eu seemed to think the north would be pretty badly impacted.

I don't understand how Manchester Liverpool and Leeds will be immune from brexit; do they not import/export anything even indirectly?

phillw

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Ironic really when Brexiteers like me acknowledge the sun went down on the British Empire years ago and the future for the UK in the world will be a small country (with a hefty GDP) doing better than most countries of a similar size

I think you're in the minority of leavers, the rest talk as if they are personally rebuilding the british empire with their vote.

Ultimately the only solution is going to be a world government, where you can't move money into another country to avoid tax. Everyone gets the same opportunities no matter where you live.

Standing at the borders with a spike, pushing people back into the sea because they want a better life is just as damaging to you.

ilovehouses wrote: »

I can't see 'ample evidence' that the UK is better able to cope with these dangers outside the EU. I think it's a guess/ hope.

Right, it's an assumption that requires you to look down on the EU as being less competent than the UK. Which is the X & R word which those who believe we will be better outside of the EU get so angry when you point that out.

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

wait until you start having to buy American meat

To extend your logic, we HAVE to buy French force fed ducks do we? We HAVE to buy Thai factory farmed, salt laden, frozen months ago chicken?

So we will be forced to buy American meat. Mmm, what happens if I refuse? Jail?

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

That was fairly easily avoided by not buying Findus pancakes. Not exactly the food of the nation.

Britain's stellar food safety has brought us BSE and salmonella infected eggs. If you think the standards that led to that are low, wait until you start having to buy American meat.

ilovehouses wrote: »

You're reading too much into a meeting. Turkey isn't joining the EU.

Other poor joiners are due soon such as corrupt Macedonia. I bet Europhiles can't wait to start funding these & taking in low skill workers that will be topped-up by the tax payer.

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

What facts?



The drive for brexit came from marginalised groups up North and in the Midlands.

‘almost the entire south apart from London voted leave’.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/07/north-poor-brexit-myths


some 59% of the middle-class overall voted to quit the EU compared with 24% of the working class, said the report.
ttps://business-reporter.co.uk/2017/03/21/think-tanks-reject-claims-brexit-vote-driven-white-working-classes/

cogito

Don't quote factual comments from the Graun to Moby as it upsets him. He much prefers opinion pieces from that rag but only when they fit his agenda.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

Don't quote factual comments from the Graun to Moby as it upsets him. He much prefers opinion pieces from that rag but only when they fit his agenda.

...Not upset at all....very happy in fact with the investigative reporting by the Graun into the fraudulent activities of Vote Leave.

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

‘almost the entire south apart from London voted leave’.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/07/north-poor-brexit-myths


some 59% of the middle-class overall voted to quit the EU compared with 24% of the working class, said the report.
ttps://business-reporter.co.uk/2017/03/21/think-tanks-reject-claims-brexit-vote-driven-white-working-classes/

About as believable as Vote Leave's referendum campaign was ethical!