Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

buglawton

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Not too different from current era within the EU with imported horse meat under the guise of beef which came in from Eastern Europe via Eire.All those old nags being transported across the EU with fake EU passports only to end up in the food chain. Or the infected chicken eggs by the millions from Holland and Belgium. You gotta love EU food regulations and the tight border controls ,which mean we can all sleep safely at night in knowledge the EU rules work well..............

Once out of the EU we can reminisce about the old days......

Makes one feel positively warm and fluffy..

Luckily the UK being an island its far harder to smuggle semi and fully automatic weapons into the country. Sadly the EU is not so lucky and we will continue to see terrorists use Eastern European semi /fully automatic weapons to kill innocent civiliansEU wide . Now I think most people would be far more worried about that prospect than they would be about a bit of chlorinated chicken but you feel free to continue to ignore the bigger picture..

Remember the remoaners priorities Arky, the agenda is more important than facts...

With EU eggs and meat driving a coach and (erm) horses through badly enforced EU regulations, it makes a mockery of the hard/soft Irish border fuss that the Eurocrats want to big up.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Owen Jones had his chance to prove he wasn’t a treacherous two faced weasel, and he chose to spend it on being a treacherous two faced weasel.

I bet May wishes she had such control over her front bench. She appears to have all the authority over Gove, Johnson, Davis and Rees-Mogg as a tea lady in a Bullingdon convention, covering someone else’s shift.

Shame.

Smith or Jones. Are you talikng about the treacherous former shadow minister or the treacherous Guardian columnist?

Moby

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Thing is you're anti UK vitriol doesn't stand up to scrutiny old son . You make claim after claim that the EU is superior in every way and we will collapse when we leave when the facts are the opposite..

What facts?
Imo We won't collapse....It will be a slow managed decline.
Listen to May and everything she says is designed to minimise the damage of the vote while respecting the decision of the vote. The drive for brexit came from marginalised groups up North and in the Midlands. Their reasons for voting brexit while perfectly understandable, were primarily motivated by fears and anger regarding immigration. People who think it was a positive vote for global opportunities away from the shackles of the EU are naive at best. Can you show me the evidence that's been produced showing us how the North and Midlands economies are going to be revived by our new trading agreements when we leave? The simple fact is London is the economic engine of this country. That will remain the case and the Northern regions will remain as they are....but in future they will be even poorer.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Sounds like you're talking about well known right winger Jeremy Corbyn.

I thought Corbyn was articulate on why he didn't like the eu, and it had nothing to do with right wing beliefs.

But very few brexiteers are willing to provide any detail whilst constantly shifting goalposts.

gfplux

With the transition deal in place the cliff edge has been moved to December 31st 2020.
The negotiators now have a maximum of 33 months to organise the trade deal.
Are there any posters here who are involved in manufacturing or import/export who have spoken with their Union or trade body about lobbying on their behalf.
You can be sure that the Governments friends (and it would not matter what colour of government) will be working hard to get their particular segment to benefit or be protected in the negotiations.
Perhaps no one cares?

buglawton

Big money has always lobbied for its interests while we were in, so I assume it will do so now for Brexit. Since big business interests already have massive influence in local government, academia and the Conservative party, I am sure it will be well represented. The public will get dragged along in the wake (it was ever thus).

phillw

gfplux wrote: »

You may know about bribes, I don!!!8217;t. However that was then.

From Wikipedia

"In February 1984, Nissan and the UK government signed an agreement to build a car plant in the UK. The following month a 799-acre (3.23 km2) greenfield site in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, was chosen. As an incentive the land was offered to Nissan at agricultural prices; around £1,800 per acre."

gfplux wrote: »

The Japanese car makers, bribes or not, thought that Britain was a good place to access the EU market.

Right, we were in the EU and the land was cheap.

gfplux wrote: »

Now that may not be the case they surely will be looking at their present UK investment and looking at their future stragedy that may mean changes.

It was in the news that they were asking the government about the future of the customs union and FOM.

Which gives these possibilities
1. lie to keep them in the UK and they wouldn't notice when it changes
2. keep them in the UK long enough that the electorate don't realise just what a bum steer they were sold until it's too late.

I don't believe they were told it was the end of the customs union and they wouldn't be able to bring in as many employees as they want, because they specifically asked about those and said that the answers would depend on whether they built the new qashqai factory in the UK or not.

I wonder just what foreign investors will think about the UK long term if it turns out they were lied to, but the only way they weren't lied to is if brexit is reversed.

Richard_Overton_2911

Moby wrote: »

Imo We won't collapse....It will be a slow managed decline.

The decline started post WWI and has continued to the present day and having been a member of the EU for over 4 decades it hasn't prevented further decline but the thing is when we are out of the EU we only have ourselves to blame if we fail to halt the decline.

Ironic really when Brexiteers like me acknowledge the sun went down on the British Empire years ago and the future for the UK in the world will be a small country (with a hefty GDP) doing better than most countries of a similar size and yet you Remoaners seem to struggle to grasp the fact.

The drive for brexit came from marginalised groups up North and in the Midlands. Their reasons for voting brexit while perfectly understandable, were primarily motivated by fears and anger regarding immigration.

Rubbish, my constituency and neighbouring constituency both voted leave with one being a Tory dead cert and the other flips between the 2. Just because you continue to believe people voted to leave primarily due to immigration but that doesn't make it true.
Now if it was true (which it isn't) then blame successive UK Govts for failing to plan and build the infrastructure to support 250,000+ extra people each year. Don't blame, genuine,hardworking people who's lives have been affected in both positive but also negative ways for trying to change their lot. Blame the Tony Blairs of this world who claimed back in 2004 that around 26,000 A8 migrants would come here to live and work each year when in fact 250,000 came and he built next to no housing,no new schools etc..

People who think it was a positive vote for global opportunities away from the shackles of the EU are naive at best. Can you show me the evidence that's been produced showing us how the North and Midlands economies are going to be revived by our new trading agreements when we leave?

No I can't because I don't have the ear of the politicians but I would flip that question around and ask where is the growth coming from if we remained in the EU , keeping in mind the EU's share of the world economy has been on the downward spiral for years and will continue to do so. Your solution seems to be well better to remain on the Titanic than gamble on a lifeboat. If the EU had kept the club restricted to pre 2004 and actually made the lives of its citizens better before expanding we would never have left so whilst you're laying the blame at the doors of politicians don't forget to pop over to Brussels.

The simple fact is London is the economic engine of this country. That will remain the case and the Northern regions will remain as they are....but in future they will be even poorer.

But again you highlight one of the problems with politicians that are London centric , they have never invested enough money outside of London. I live down on the Sussex coast and we get the sh*t end of the stick and we are only 65miles.

The EU is no different when they take our money away and build infrastructure in Poland and factories are built with the main result of undercutting Western EU factories products ,now where the hell is the sense in that?. How does that make the lives of people in Burnley better?.............

Arklight

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Numerous Foods sold by Tesco's was also infected now remind me which supermarket is the largest in the UK?.......Supermarkets that also sold infected burgers included Burger King,Aldi and Lidl.

Thing is you're anti UK vitriol doesn't stand up to scrutiny old son . You make claim after claim that the EU is superior in every way and we will collapse when we leave when the facts are the opposite..

BTW you did know that selmonella was rife across the entire EU didn't you?..........Oh you didn't well now you do.

What wasn't rife across the UK was eggs infected with banned medicines used on hens until we imported it. Now my point is the UK is not perfect in any way but lets get rid of this pathetic vitriol you bang on about where the UK is rubbish and the EU is great...................

The BSE reminds me of the French who broke EU law by refusing to buy/import British Beef after the EU deemed it safe to sell/eat so good luck with defending your beloved EU.....

Point being the EU really isn't all that good at doing anything .

PS: Had plenty of American steak and love it great flavour and so much of it too.

I don't make any claims that the EU is superior to the UK. I just think Brexit suporters, the ones who are still supporting Brexit, are predominantly a bunch of agenda driven right wing nincompoops who have not the faintest clue what they are doing, being led by opportunist neoliberals who know only too well.

Nothing in your post really changes my opinion.

Enterprise_1701C

You remember the statement that Turkey would never be able to join the eu? Tusk and Juncker are meeting with Erdogan in Romania tomorrow.

In their invitation to the Turkish leader, the EU officials said the meeting would be "a good opportunity to jointly assess matters of mutual interest and recent developments in your country, including in the area of the rule of law and fundamental freedoms, which remain fundamental to the fabric of and prospects for the EU-Turkey relations".

If they do become members then, considering how porous their borders are, you might as well count Iraq, Iran and Syria as members, all they have to do is slip across the border and they will be unstoppable.

It is also worth mentioning that Bulgaria is keen on Turkey joining the eu.

So, another step along to road to that impossibility of Turkey becoming a member, along with the denial that there would be an eu army more of the untruths of the remain side are becoming obvious.