Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

Rough_Justice wrote: »

war

The quote was:

"Leaving EU would threaten UK's peace and stability, says Cameron"

I think looking at the past and how fragile peace has been in the world, leaving the EU certainly does pose a threat. He didn't give a time limit on when that would be or what that threat would be.

Implementing a hard border in Ireland would certainly be a threat to peace.

If what you're arguing is that leaving the EU means leaving the single market and getting rid of all EU laws, then a hard border seems a certainty.

I'm sure he believed that & I believe that. So it's not a lie.

Rough_Justice wrote: »

emergency budget

Drop in sterling with the knock on to inflation of costs of imports has put a pressure on government funds which led to interest rate cuts, QE & cuts to spending have filtered through since. I get the feeling the only reason we didn't have an emergency budget is because George Osbourne said we would & for political reasons they couldn't be seen to.

Recession and job losses are an unknown, we've seen some jobs move to the EU. Exports are up because we're still in the EU but have lower export costs due to sterling drops. Once one of those changes the picture will be clearer. After listening to what businesses are still saying then I still believe that is a huge risk, so again not a lie.

Matt_L

phillw wrote: »

It depends on if they wanted informed support or not, I believe they knew that people believed it and kept quiet. Similar to the whole red bus fiasco.

Do you think it would be right to implement brexit if a sizeable portion of people were misinformed of what they were voting for? I accept you probably will say they weren't, but if they were. Would you feel uneasy pushing through brexit even though leaving the single market was not what people wanted but they happened to tick the leave box.

This can so easily be reversed, i personally know an entire family that were so convinced by project fear that they all voted to remain. They all now realise they were lied to and would happily change their vote to leave. How many more were conned in this way?

To be honest id be more than happy with another referendum just to put this to bed forever because i believe the leave vote would be much higher...

phillw

Matt_L wrote: »

To be honest id be more than happy with another referendum just to put this to bed forever because i believe the leave vote would be much higher...

I believe that when the picture is clearer about what brexit means then the leave vote would disappear. It appears the only way to solve that would be to ask people.

What we should do is have everyone publicly register their vote and then if it turns out that they pick a way that costs someone more money, then they personally have to stump up the bill.

Richard_Overton_2911

phillw wrote: »

What we should do is have everyone publicly register their vote and then if it turns out that they pick a way that costs someone more money, then they personally have to stump up the bill.

I'm up for that as long as we back date it to include the banking crisis in 2008............... Oh and the Iraq war too as long as Blair is charged in the Hague with crimes against humanity.

Great way to achieve taking us back to the good old days when only the wealthy got to vote.. Would you qualify Phil?

Your post was tongue in cheek wasn't it Phil?..........

cogito

phillw wrote: »

Implementing a hard border in Ireland would certainly be a threat to peace.

I've heard this said many times and it is utter nonsense. There is no appetite in Ireland for any kind of hostilities and the republican fantasists that still exist are known to the security services of both the UK and RoI. They have no significant weaponry and have no capability to mount acts of terrorism.

If there is any threat to peace, it will result from the EU's intransigence. Have you not seen what Verhofstadt had to say today?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-northern-ireland-guy-verhofstadt-border-single-market-customs-union-a8231721.html

phillw

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

I'm up for that as long as we back date it to include the banking crisis in 2008............... Oh and the Iraq war too as long as Blair is charged in the Hague with crimes against humanity.

I wouldn't be against that. There are some things I'd like to see him stand Justice for in the UK as well.

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Great way to achieve taking us back to the good old days when only the wealthy got to vote.. Would you qualify Phil?

I don't see why it would. I'd even throw in that if the way you voted worked out better then you received a dividend. It doesn't stop poor people voting, it just means they have an incentive to become informed. If you're rich and you vote for a party who lowers tax for rich, then when the spending cuts hit the poor then you have to make it up. Would seem to be great for the poor. Of course it would only be worth voting if you think your vote will have a positive effect for everyone, which seems like a nice idea. If you get it wrong, then you can make it up the next time.

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Your post was tongue in cheek wasn't it Phil?..........

I don't think that a post on a message board is likely to make it happen, if that is what you mean. I can't see Boris setting up a £350m a week Direct Debit to the NHS, no matter how much he deserves it.

phillw

Bernard Jenkin MP is backsliding on Newsnight, pretending that the Irish agreement doesn't really say what it does and that it's the EU's problem. He looks pretty smug.

If it says what he thinks then it doesn't solve the problem.
If it solves the problem then it doesn't say what he wants.

Backbiter

Time to fact-check Boris, who's been lying again, in the Brexiters' favourite anti-EU rag:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/924711/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Boris-Johnson-European-Union-Liam-Fox-BBC-Today

!!!8220;We now have a £25billion trade surplus with Korea.!!!8221;

Here we go:



Which shows that our TOTAL exports to South Korea in 2015 were less than £5bn, and our trade surplus was less than one tenth of that. I know Boris manages to lump North and South Korea together for the purpose of his fabrication, but however much trade we do with the North, it doesn't come close to the South.
Now the figures might have improved in the last two years, but to £25bn?
I trust he will be correcting himself publicly, as I'm sure the Express won't.

phillw

Backbiter wrote: »

Time to fact-check Boris, who's been lying again, in the Brexiters' favourite anti-EU rag:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/924711/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Boris-Johnson-European-Union-Liam-Fox-BBC-Today

Our trade might decline somewhat

http://www.cer.eu/in-the-press/fears-grow-south-korea-may-demand-concessions-britain-replicate-eu-trade-agreements

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-trade-partners-object-to-brexit-transition-roll-over/

Backbiter

phillw wrote: »

Our trade might decline somewhat

http://www.cer.eu/in-the-press/fears-grow-south-korea-may-demand-concessions-britain-replicate-eu-trade-agreements

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-trade-partners-object-to-brexit-transition-roll-over/

Yes, but will it decline by as much as the 7500% growth in our trade surplus with 'Korea' that has happened since 2015, according to our much-respected and ever-truthful foreign secretary?