Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

He's playing Brexiteers and Remoaners. His mind is already made up and he's gathering information to confirm his bias (for his book).

Lord knows how we ended up talking about quality standards in teaching - he couldn't give a jot. It's just part of the pretend narrative being used to create a smokescreen.

Oh wotsthat you are so funny.

Brexit MP plays the game and you don’t like it.
Who plastered the letter all over the Internet? Aren’t they playing exactly the same game aswell?

If said MP uncovered some systematic failings because of his bias would you still be that bothered about his motivation?
I guess so because you’re just as biased the opposite way despite pretending to be a paragon of virtue.

mrginge

Joeskeppi wrote: »

This is what I can't stand.

If the same letter had come from a pro-remain (or Staunch Remainer, to use the articles language) MP, the people defending this one to the death would be salivating on themselves in desperation to make it into a national scandal.

Bias doesn't belong in politics. It just stop politics from working.

Ah, the irony.

What you *think* people who defend this would do in the reverse situation is a view entirely constructed out of your own political bias.

Filo25

mrginge wrote: »

Oh wotsthat you are so funny.

Brexit MP plays the game and you don’t like it.
Who plastered the letter all over the Internet? Aren’t they playing exactly the same game aswell?

If said MP uncovered some systematic failings because of his bias would you still be that bothered about his motivation?
I guess so because you’re just as biased the opposite way despite pretending to be a paragon of virtue.

Who cares what some university lecturer's views are anyway, one of my economics tutors was basically a marxist, he made no secret of his views but would equally give reading lists which covered all sides of the argument, as a student you were expected to look at the theories and evidence and make up your own mind, and indeed were rewarded for doing so.

My concern is that some people in government have made it clear that they view it as unpatriotic and unworthy to hold views which may doubt that Brexit is the best decision ever made, and we should all rally round the flag, mouthing happy platitudes, even if we happen to think it wasn't in the country's best interest, I'm not into thought crime myself.

System

mrginge wrote: »

Ah, the irony.

What you *think* people who defend this would do in the reverse situation is a view entirely constructed out of your own political bias.

I don't think I have a bias. Whoever this letter came from, I'd think the same way about it. It's a gift I have.

I have things I support or prefer. But if the circumstances change then so would I. Some people are incapable of that.

Politics is the worst example. Theresa May could announce a massacre of all kittens and someone would be telling is us it's the right thing to do and how Corbyn would be worse and would probably get the puppies too if he was in charge. I just don't understand the motivation, no one rewards anyone for their bias.

Arklight

I think the furore over the letter mostly proves that we have got back to the point where a majority of people dislike the Tories all over again, and don't trust them.


The Right generally don't like universities. It's not helped by the statistical fact that the more right wing you are the less well educated you are likely to be. So as well as not having benefited from higher education, the rightists don't really understand what happens inside them, or why they are needed.


There is a reason why people who are educated tend to favour socialist and it isn't because of some brain washing by Marxist death rays during freshers' week.

Filo25

Arklight wrote: »

I think the furore over the letter mostly proves that we have got back to the point where a majority of people dislike the Tories all over again, and don't trust them.


The Right generally don't like universities. It's not helped by the statistical fact that the more right wing you are the less well educated you are likely to be. So as well as not having benefited from higher education, the rightists don't really understand what happens inside them, or why they are needed.


There is a reason why people who are educated tend to favour socialist and it isn't because of some brain washing by Marxist death rays during freshers' week.

I don't think either party are massively popular at present, people may generally "like" Corbyn more than May, but they generally think she makes a better Prime Minister than he would, which is a pretty low bar at present!

Given the Tories are in a complete mess at present, Labour should be concerned that they haven't been able to build a dominant lead in the polls.

The only meaningful trend between the parties at present seems to be age, young voters vote Labour, people get more likely to vote Tory the older they get.

System

Filo25 wrote: »

I don't think either party are massively popular at present, people may generally "like" Corbyn more than May, but they generally think she makes a better Prime Minister than he would, which is a pretty low bar at present!

Yeah neither are very appealing.

In another world this would be a perfect opportunity for some other party to make progress.

setmefree2

EU Starts Brexit Plan B Work in Case of December Failure

Internal preparations for no breakthrough backed by EU states

The European Union agreed to start internal preparations for the possibility of Brexit negotiations failing to reach a breakthrough at a crunch December summit

At a meeting in Brussels on Wednesday, the EU’s 27 governments without Britain approved work to start on their response to the prospect of the U.K. and the EU not making enough progress over the next two months to allow trade talks to begin at the end of the year, four people familiar with the discussions said. At the same time, preparations will begin in case of a more positive outcome.

The next seven weeks are critical to the entire Brexit process

The EU wants a divorce settlement of about 60 billion euros ($71 billion), and the U.K.’s offer so far is about a third of that.

Wednesday’s go-ahead is for preparations on a response only for a lack of progress by December rather than for contingencies in case of a wider breakdown in the talks, the people said, asking not to be named because the discussions were private.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/eu-is-said-to-agree-to-start-planning-for-no-brexit-breakthrough

It would be good to know that Calais, Zeebrugge and Dublin are prepared for a no deal.

setmefree2

Brexit transition period likely to be limited to 20 months, EU officials say

Exclusive: Despite Theresa May’s request for two-year transition Brussels sources say exit date likely to be 31 December 2020

No decisions have been made and the EU’s 27 remaining member states are yet to formally discuss the terms of a transition period, something they only agreed to do at the end of the last European council summit on Friday.
Earlier this week the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, also appeared to suggest that such a schedule would suit the bloc. He told a group of European newspapers: “To my mind, it makes sense that it covers the financial period, so until 2020.”

Such a timetable would coincide with the end of the EU’s seven-year budget in December 2020. The EU is also likely to insist that the UK remain in the common fisheries policy, whose quotas apply to the calendar year – making a December 2020 end to the transition a practical solution, one source said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/25/brexit-transition-period-likely-limited-20-months-eu-officials-say

setmefree2

10 reasons the UK should not fear a ‘no deal’ Brexit outcome

http://www.cityam.com/274574/10-reasons-uk-should-not-fear-no-deal-brexit-outcome