Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Incredible_1

ilovehouses wrote: »

If you'd really read the article and there was a killer argument contained within I'm pretty sure you might have mentioned it.

Do you mean about May being right to keep talks under wraps?
:whistle:

cogito

Incredible_1 wrote: »

It looks like Irish farming is already suffering at the hands of Brexit - and this before any conclusion!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/report-reveals-impact-of-brexit-vote-on-irelands-agri-food-sector-827706.html

The Irish needn't worry though because the EU will help them.
After all that's what a union does, isn't it?

Sure it does. Just ask the Greeks.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Or production was moved to take the pressure off Birmingham whilst a factory investment took place.

There was a promise of no job losses during the takeover. Almost immediately afterwards the Bristol operation was totally shut with the loss of 400 jobs. US Corporations have no sentiment. They are profit driven. Hence the very rapid change in direction. Cadbury's have no traction in terms of European sales.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Whereas British shareholders sold out for reasons other than profit?

British shareholders ceased to own majority stakes in major UK companies many moons ago. Property being the preferred investment.

Tromking

Theophile wrote: »

There's no distinction, is there?
You are either in the EU or you aren't.
Norway for example is not in the EU.
Therefore the Norway option would address the referendum result.
Yes I know, a Norway option wouldn't address the fears and phobias of many brextremists, but that's not really here nor there and a totally different discussion.

You don’t get to define Brexit as you lost I’m afraid.
Despite bluster to the contrary, Brexit is sailing through our parliament as even the most rabid of Remoaner MP’s is scared witless of upsetting people like me, who voted in good faith to leave and won.
My wishes re. Brexit have political legitimacy, yours don’t.
Win a referendum or elect an anti Brexit Government and you get a say, until then..............

ukcarper

Theophile wrote: »

There's no distinction, is there?
You are either in the EU or you aren't.
Norway for example is not in the EU.
Therefore the Norway option would address the referendum result.
Yes I know, a Norway option wouldn't address the fears and phobias of many brextremists, but that's not really here nor there and a totally different discussion.

No it isn’t you know full well what people voted for and are just not prepared to accept it and labelling their reasons for voting as fears and phobias does not help the remaim cause. The contempt some of the remain posters show for brexit voters is concerning.

tracey3596

Here's one example of where Soros's money towards the UK remain camp goes.


"Pro-EU PR firm self-funds questionable research to blame Russia for Brexit"

A few cards on the table about 89up. It's a PR company, the kind which is not exactly without an agenda of its own. It does for example describe itself as the "sole communications agency for Best for Britain."; You may recognize the name "Best for Britain", because it's the anti-Brexit group that's been in the headlines recently due to the fact it's part funded by arch-meddler, billionaire George Soros.

https://www.rt.com/uk/418585-89up-brexit-meddling-soros/

ukcarper wrote: »

No it isn't you know full well what people voted for and are just not prepared to accept it and labelling their reasons for voting as fears and phobias does not help the remaim cause. The contempt some of the remain posters show for brexit voters is concerning.

The contempt shown by some ardent Europhiles towards a democratic vote which they lost is concerning.
No wonder some remain posters exhibit the same tendencies.

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

Mate I think I'd have to care to get upset but well done for being rich:)

I said I was rich?
:huh:
You must show me where.
You can't because I didn't, did I which makes your statement a what?

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Firewalled, so I don't know what's actually in the article (it does matter). Presumably, since this is also discussing the future, it's a dreaded survey?
Why are surveys to be automatically disregarded if they don't suit your point?

"will" or predicted?
I'm confident it'll be more than 5,000, depending on the deal we get. That said, losing 5,000 bankers will still hurt us pretty badly.



Remainers at least seem to be able to put their hands up when predictions don't play out, but you still need to remember this: the decisions that'll cause bankers to have to move into the EU haven't happened yet, this is all guesswork, but based on the red lines from May and the EU, we're going to lose financial passporting and the EU won't allow us to simply brass-plate to get round it.

Regardless of how many jobs we lose (we can agree it's more than zero?), that's a bad thing, since as far as I can tell, we've got nothing to replace them with, except busy and redundant work to handle being outside of the EU. How many customs inspectors do we need to hire to counteract the economic loss of a banker? 10? 20?

:wall:
Firstly I think the word you were looking for was "paywalled", not "firewalled". Ask ilovehouses as it seems he doesn't like that word. Or maybe it's the spending of hard-earned, I'm not sure which but you could always ask.

As for predictions, well you've not accepted the ones that were wrong yet so that's one fib for a start. No-one has a crystal ball for the future but judging by the forecasts which have been proven wrong so far anyone with sense would be reluctant to trust others from the same sources. (No don't ask again. It has been done recently and you won't accept the facts.)

The jobs we will (?) lose?
Well look at today for example.
A few fruit-picking jobs will be gone because some greedy farmer wants more profit so he'll start in China instead, as opposed to some new banking jobs coming here to the UK.
You basically asked the question yourself; how many fruit-pickers does it take to see the same economic benefit as a banker?
Would you rather be a low-paid fruit picker or a highly paid banker?

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

The EU doesn't want a border. The UK wants to introduce conditions that require a border,

Wrong. We're happy to trade tariff free with the EU which will require no border controls.

If the EU wish to apply tariffs of any description, then it is they who are responsible for the introduction of border controls.