Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

The problem with this thread is some people on both sides are so biased they don’t seem to realise that things not black and white but a shade of grey.

I'm not biased, I understand the nuances. However on these issues they are pretty clearly that the EU forced the UK government to do things that benefited the people of the UK and leavers refuse to see it.

But I imagine that any leaver opening up their minds to the idea that the EU had a positive effect, beyond what "would have happened anyway" would cause such an mental crisis that it can't be let to happen.

The EU has been blamed by the british government for things that weren't it's fault & credit has been claimed by the british government for things that were the EU. That is the true british spirit that leavers seem to want to continue.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who is the CBI lobbying on behalf of one wonders. Has had a pro EU stance for a very long time. Pre referendum in fact.

PS Was also against Scottish independence.

They were lobbying on behalf of British businesses, which if scottish independence had happened or brexit happens like the leavers want will be utterly appalling for British businesses.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

I'm not biased, I understand the nuances. However on these issues they are pretty clearly that the EU forced the UK government to do things that benefited the people of the UK and leavers refuse to see it.

But I imagine that any leaver opening up their minds to the idea that the EU had a positive effect, beyond what "would have happened anyway" would cause such an mental crisis that it can't be let to happen.

The EU has been blamed by the british government for things that weren't it's fault & credit has been claimed by the british government for things that were the EU. That is the true british spirit that leavers seem to want to continue.

Keep digging.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Keep digging.

Stop trolling.

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I see that another prominent remainer has grudgingly admitted that the UK is doing better and will continue to do better than remainers suggested prior to the referendum. Although (of course) there are still the obligatory "but's".

We haven't left yet, nobody knows what the deal will be. You're confusing talking about jumping off a cliff and actually jumping off a cliff. So that is a pretty big "but".

Just wake me up when any leaver actually has a positive thing to say about brexit.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes, we went from the top to the bottom of the G7 in terms of economic growth. Some might say it's nothing to do with the uncertainty of deciding to leave the EU but they'd be all over it of we'd gone from the bottom to top since the referendum.

How much have UK consumers received in PPI payouts?

cogito

phillw wrote: »

They were lobbying on behalf of British businesses, which if scottish independence had happened or brexit happens like the leavers want will be utterly appalling for British businesses.

The CBI receive funding from the EU. How can you expect them to be impartial.

kabayiri

ukcarper wrote: »

It amazes me that some remainers try to imply that every improvement made in this country no matter how small is due to the EU.

Many of the gains were made a couple of decades ago.

It's the same with things like manufacturing quality. So much was learnt coming through the 80s and into the 90s.

The EU had some laudable ideals, but I think it has been living off past glories since the start of this millennium at least.

For balance, so has the UK. Brexit is an opportunity to reappraise just where we stand in the new world order. We will truly have to sink or swim.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

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I think the UK does have a litter problem. It maybe related to our fast food habits but I suspect more litter is dropped and less is cleaned up compared to our European neighbours.

For local authorities, it costs about £40 per bin bag to collect strewn litter. That's a lot of money, especially now when money is pretty tight in the public purse. Couple of hundred bags of litter, or a knee operation...what's your priority?

Ironically, the desire to reduce landfill has increased waste collection costs, and encouraged more fly tipping.

It's too easy to say EU good, UK bad. These are difficult challenges and I personally believe society has to change how we view social responsibility.

LHW99

They were lobbying on behalf of British businesses

To be accurate they lobby on behalf of their members, which tend to be the larger businesses. Their membership comprises around 1500 direct member companies and around 180,000 that are brought in via other organisations.
SME's provide around 60% of private sector employment and 72% of them export to both EU and non-EU countries.
Most SME's are not even members of the Federation of Small Businesses, which is representative of only around 4% of SME's.
So IMO it is difficult to say that the CBI is directly representing a large proportion of the British business community.

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

So IMO it is difficult to say that the CBI is directly representing a large proportion of the British business community.

Who owns a lot of these companies? Particularly the larger entities.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

The UK has less deaths per employees because most people work in an office, rather than down a mine or in a factory.

The UK has fewer deaths per employee (?) because of enforcement of health and safety measures. The Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 was no doubt a measure forced upon us by the EU. oh, wait. Look at the date of the legislation.