Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Transport is an import element of Brexit.
The EU have issued this document that is a must read for anyone interested in transport.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/2017-12-11-notice-to-stakeholders-road-transport.pdf

Someone has posted a summary in another place which is as follows.

One other thing to go on agenda for David Davis to sort out.
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Did you know that UK Driving licences will no longer be longer valid in the EU after Brexit?

The European Commission have released some guidelines as to what Brexit means for road transport and driving after Brexit.

Driving Licences
1 EU rules require that drivers of vehicles carrying passengers require a certificate of competence provided by an EU member state from a training centre accredited by their national government - certificates issued by UK training centres will become invalid in the EU.

2 According to EU rules, driving licenses from any member state are equally recognised in all member states, for example for insurance, for car hire, etc. As of the UK's withdrawal, UK driving licenses will no longer equally recognised in the EU.

Trucks
1 EU rules require truck drivers driving across the EU to possess a certificate of competence, issued from any EU member state. After Brexit, certificates issued by the UK will no longer be valid for haulage / truck driving in the EU.

2 According to EU single market rules, to be an EU road haulage operator, a company must have an effective establishment in an EU member state. Companies who are based in the UK will no longer be licensed as such or fulfil this requirement.
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gfplux

Will we also see the return of an extra insurance charge to take your car on a “continental” holiday.
I recall it was called a green card.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Trucks
1 EU rules require truck drivers driving across the EU to possess a certificate of competence, issued from any EU member state. After Brexit, certificates issued by the UK will no longer be valid for haulage / truck driving in the EU.

If the UK reciprocates then Eire is well and truly in the mire........

The EU wants to punish the UK. Hardly surprising that the tone has changed.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

This could easily be a pre-death rally. Maybe triggered by the fall in sterling and wage stagnation, meaning we are becoming the work house of the world. With a slowly eroding standard of living.

Why should we have a better standard of living than other countries. Our inherent wealth is thanks to the British Empire. We did steal it, not earn it.

kabayiri

Maybe with all this extra finance income, Luxembourg will become a net contributor to EU coffers?

(Yeah, yeah...I know...fat chance of that!)

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If the UK reciprocates then Eire is well and truly in the mire........

The EU wants to punish the UK. Hardly surprising that the tone has changed.

How are we being punished exactly? By following the rules?

Those are the eu regs, and changing them will require agreement. I can see the passenger licenses to be trivial to sort by haulage may depend on vested interests.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

How are we being punished exactly? By following the rules?

Those are the eu regs, and changing them will require agreement. I can see the passenger licenses to be trivial to sort by haulage may depend on vested interests.

It's pretty obvious that there could easily be winners and losers from all this, both here and on the continent.

The government will have to spend a lot of money on upgrading the IT systems for customs etc, and that means profitable work for those well placed.

I doubt there will be transport restrictions. It would be too easy to impose restrictions on the European haulage operators who ply their trade in the UK. The mostly EE drivers would soon be crying foul play.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why should we have a better standard of living than other countries. Our inherent wealth is thanks to the British Empire. We did steal it, not earn it.

I agree in principle. However as a fan of globalisation, I would like to see some way that would bring everyone's standard of living up.

Backward steps like brexit don't open up those opportunities, everyone just closes ranks and protects their own interests.

Leavers expected that we would someone "win" off the back of this, because they don't understand the simple concepts involved let alone the complex ones.

kabayiri wrote: »

The government will have to spend a lot of money on upgrading the IT systems for customs etc, and that means profitable work for those well placed.

You mean people in Vietnam? It'll be outsourced, the money will go overseas.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU wants to punish the UK. Hardly surprising that the tone has changed.

It's not so much punishing us, it's more giving us what we asked for. Taking back control of something is a real hassle, it's much easier to let someone else more qualified deal with it.

It will be interesting what happens to EU haulage drivers post brexit, not only will they count as migrant workers but they won't wait with their goods for weeks in the WTO queue at customs.

GreatApe

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why should we have a better standard of living than other countries. Our inherent wealth is thanks to the British Empire. We did steal it, not earn it.

We have a better standard of living than poor countries because we have better governance and institutions and because we entered the electricity age sooner.

As for UK wealth most of it is buildings homes shops offices in the UK.
None of which we stole and bought over from India etc

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If the UK reciprocates then Eire is well and truly in the mire........

The EU wants to punish the UK. Hardly surprising that the tone has changed.

If the UK isn’t seen to suffer as a result of Brexit then it’s an existential crisis for the EU.
It’s going to be interesting to see how much backing the two main players Germany and France get from the rest when the pressure is applied to the UK and the UK naturally reciprocates in kind.
The longer this goes on, I cannot believe Brussels ‘allowed’ us to leave.
Serious times but fascinating all the same.