Maybe I'm missing something, but ...............

budgetflyer

I wonder who trained all these disgruntled Ryanair pilots and gave them their first job?

Doshwaster

sheramber wrote: »

hen he wouldn't be unemployed.

if there is nothing else but unemployment what does he do?

There are plenty of expanding airlines around the world looking for experienced pilots. If you fly around Asia you will find a lot of British and European pilots

onomatopoeia99

budgetflyer wrote: »

I wonder who trained all these disgruntled Ryanair pilots and gave them their first job?

Ryanair provide training to pilots in the specific plane that Ryanair operate. The pilots must pay Ryanair for this training, it is not given for free, and they must already have the theory and simulator / small plane hours before Ryanair will take them on. This will also have been self funded, at a cost of many tens of thousands of pounds.

One of my former co-workers left to become a pilot (not with Ryanair). He did the theory and initial hours while still working here, though he took something like two or three months off at one point for a training course. What it all cost him was staggering.

Browntoa

most pilots send up with around £100,000 of debt before they earn a penny commercially , although the pay is good once you start and most clear the debt quickly


https://www.flightdeckfriend.com/becoming-an-airline-pilot-faq


Depending on which route you take, you can expect to pay between £40,000 and £120,000 to train as a commercial airline pilot. There are now many airlines who now charge you for your “type rating” when they offer you a job offer which is typically an additional £20,000 – £35,000


A Type Rating is a qualification to fly a specific model of aircraft. Any aircraft which has a maximum take off weight of more than 5,700 kgs or is turbine powered requires a type rating to operate it. A type rating course consists of a technical ground school course, covering the aircrafts systems and performance, and a simulator course, where you learn to fly the aircraft in normal and emergency situations for approximately 30 hours.

bagand96

daveyjp wrote: »

"the rest of us are stuck with the £30 million bill (or more) for flying Monarch customers home again"

An incorrect statement - the taxpayer does not cover the bill.

ATOL exists to cover this situation.

For every airline ticket sold the airline pays the CAA for ATOL Protection Insurance - it's £2.50 a ticket.

One reason Monarch went down is they couldn't afford the ATOL payments.

Monarch flight only (booked after December 2016) were not covered by ATOL, as is the case with nearly all airlines. So nobody on a Monarch flight only booking is ATOL protected, and this is the majority of bookings (Monarch Holidays were only 5% of their sales... although there will be more booked on other agents ATOLs).

However the DfT and CAA have decided to unilaterally repatriate everybody regardless. This means the majority are getting repatriated free of charge when they have no right to under ATOL as they aren’t covered.

It can’t be assumed that ATOL will automatically foot the entire bill. ATOL, the Air Travel Trust is a fund managed by trustees, with strict rules on when it can and can’t pay. It’s unlikely those trustees will just approve the raiding of the ATT fund to pay for this mass repatriation. They will only wish to pay for those actually covered with ATOL certificates.

Government / CAA may wish to attempt a change to the rules or try and use the ATT fund regardless. This would be met with fierce opposition from across the industry as it would seriously undermine the ATOL scheme and bonded agents.