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  • Linton
    Linton Posts: 18,164 Forumite
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    Prism wrote: »
    So how is everyone tracking their portfolio. I started with Trustnet last year until I realised that I couldn't edit or remove holdings and still keep the history. Then I moved to the Youinvest tools (same as Morningstar I think) which work well. However now I am going to start making contributions in again from my company. How do I do that easily? Youinvest doesn't let me pick two dates and work out the percentage again, which would make it easy.


    I use Trustnet portfolio. One problem with that is that it doesnt include dividends. Not a major issue (<1%/year) with Linton Growth but it does significantly undervalue Linton WP with its high % of ITs.
  • Prism
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    Linton wrote: »
    I use Trustnet portfolio. One problem with that is that it doesnt include dividends. Not a major issue (<1%/year) with Linton Growth but it does significantly undervalue Linton WP with its high % of ITs.

    The charts in Trustnet can include dividends reinvested. Could that be used to calculate the percentage change?
  • Thrugelmir
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    Prism wrote: »
    So how is everyone tracking their portfolio. I started with Trustnet last year until I realised that I couldn't edit or remove holdings and still keep the history. Then I moved to the Youinvest tools (same as Morningstar I think) which work well. However now I am going to start making contributions in again from my company. How do I do that easily? Youinvest doesn't let me pick two dates and work out the percentage again, which would make it easy.

    On a spreadsheet. Maintain a record of trades in each holding. Monitor ex dividend dates and accrue income as appropriate at the end of every month. I then run a fantasy portfolio through my share dealing account to capture the value.
  • Linton
    Linton Posts: 18,164 Forumite
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    Prism wrote: »
    The charts in Trustnet can include dividends reinvested. Could that be used to calculate the percentage change?


    Up to a point, but you can only read the value very roughly off the graph rather than get an exact figure.
  • finellah
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    I use a spreadsheet, Trustnet and Morningstar.

    If I remember correctly the returns part of spreadsheet was based on a Monevator article on unitised returns.

    I use a Morningstar transaction portfolio to record all transactions. My understanding is that the personal return on performance tab is return taking into account transactions/timing. There is also a facility to record dividends though I'm mainly in acc units so haven't used it.

    http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/help/faq.aspx?cat=753#TOTAL&PERSONALRETURNS

    I mainly keep the Trustnet portfolio populated for graphing comparison of portfolio with specific funds and for graphing all constituents
  • TBC15
    TBC15 Posts: 1,495 Forumite
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    My needs are basic so I’ve used Trustnet exclusively over the years.
  • Mr.Saver
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    Can I add a passive multi-asset portfolio retrospectively to the contest? I promise I did not make/adjust this portfolio based on the market performance of the last 4 years.

    Mr. Saver's Multi-Asset Portfolio

    The objective of this portfolio is to invest in a wide range of asset classes via index funds and aiming to achieve an annualised return of 5% above UK inflation as measured by CPI over rolling 10 years periods, a positive return over rolling 4 years periods, and no more than 25% loss over any calendar year. There is no guarantee that those aims will be achieved. The appropriate benchmarks are Morningstar GBP Moderate Allocation and Trustnet AFI Balanced.

    The asset allocations (ordered by weights):
    35% US Equity
    25% Gold
    10% Global or US Property
    10% UK Equity
    10% UK Gilts
    5% Japan Equity
    5% Broad-basket Commodity

    For the purpose of the contest, I've picked the following 7 widely available index funds:
    iShares US Equity Index (UK) D Acc
    iShares Physical Gold ETC GBP
    iShares Global Property Securities Equity Index (UK) D Acc
    iShares UK Equity Index (UK) D Acc
    iShares UK Gilts All Stocks Index (UK) D Acc
    iShares Japan Equity Index (UK) D Acc
    L&G Longer Dated All Commodities UCITS ETF GBP

    Please note that the portfolio needs to be rebalanced annually.

    If I'm allowed to enter the contest retrospectively, the allocation on the start date 29 Sep 2017 would be:
    Name Weight % Price (GBX) Unit Value
    iShares US Equity Index (UK) D Acc 35 235.50 p 14,862.00 £35,000.01
    iShares UK Equity Index (UK) D Acc 10 215.10 p 4,649.00 £10,000.00
    iShares Japan Equity Index (UK) D Acc 5 206.90 p 2,416.63 £5,000.01
    iShares UK Gilts All Stocks Index (UK) D Acc 10 164.00 p 6,097.56 £10,000.00
    iShares Global Property Securities Equity Index (UK) D Acc 10 192.20 p 5,202.91 £9,999.99
    iShares Physical Gold ETC GBP 25 1,881.94 p 1,328.42 £25,000.07
    L&G Longer Dated All Commodities UCITS ETF GBP 5 1,037.76 p 481.81 £5,000.03
    Total 100

    £100,000.11

    The rebalance date will be the last trading day in each September.

    The historical value on each rebalancing day:
    2017-09-29 £100,000.11
    2018-09-28 £108,271.92
    2019-09-30 £124,444.33
    2020-09-30 £131,376.24

    The portfolio today (between 30 Sep 2020 and 30 Sep 2021):
    Name Unit
    iShares US Equity Index (UK) D Acc 13270.3274292935
    iShares UK Equity Index (UK) D Acc 6723.4514611057
    iShares Japan Equity Index (UK) D Acc 2726.77960875893
    iShares UK Gilts All Stocks Index (UK) D Acc 6768.4823055129
    iShares Global Property Securities Equity Index (UK) D Acc 6824.7398207795
    iShares Physical Gold ETC GBP 1151.62713448954
    L&G Longer Dated All Commodities UCITS ETF GBP 637.420752185795

    Today's value on Trustnet is £135,896.52. The next rebalancing date is in 9 months on 30 Sep 2021.



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