fluttering ticket going to court

claxtome

Was interested to see the contract you attached in post #105 IamEmanresu.

Maybe someone from ES is plagurising or used to work for ANPR.

Now I think about I am sure I have seen ANPR mentioned on one of their signs. Hmmm maybe that was for the proper meaning of ANPR.

claxtome

Handed in my WS and evidence bundle this morning. (All nicely paginated and cross-referenced).
Will be emailing the same bundle to the Claimant's solicitor tonight.

Now leaves me over 3 months to prepare my Skeleton Argument for court appearance and prepare my costs schedule.

Before Christmas I want to apply to the Land Registry to see the 4 titles found by doing my SIM map search mentioned in post #87.

Loadsofchildren123

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5711874
Post 17 on this thread, a nice case for you to cite in your Skeleton

claxtome

OK just got the 'title register extracts' for the 4 titles for the relevant land.
Three of them are mostly the same information.

I am little confused as the extract for all of them has details of companies under 2 headings:
1) "Registered Owner(s)"
2) "Lender(s)"

Further on in the document it mentions a Deed being setup between all 4 companies (Registered Owners and Lenders)

Question for forum:
What is the difference between a "Registered Owner" and a "Lender"?
(Is it simply the Lender(s) have lent money to the owner(s))

This information is relevant as the Claimant's parking contract from their Witness Statement mentions the name of the 1 of the Lenders.

The_Deep

Good grief, this is so trivial. When will judges say enough is enough and throw out fluttering tickets, wrong vrns, own space cases and the like?

I admire OPs perseverance and fortitude, but you only get one life.

claxtome

I am bumping this to the top again in the hope someone knows the answer to the question I raised in #115:

In a Land Registry Title what is the difference between a "Registered Owner" and a "Lender"?

nosferatu1001

Person who owns it vs bank who has an interest in the land (i.e. a mortgage) would be my guess.

claxtome

Person who owns it vs bank who has an interest in the land (i.e. a mortgage) would be my guess.

That was my guess too.
One of the Lender's "agents" (people) signed the parking contract hence trying to see if any argument in my skeleton over this

Loadsofchildren123

Yes, the lender is the mortgage lender. So they don't own the land, they just have a charge over it via the terms of the loan/mortgage.
Only the landowner can grant the ppc rights to operate on the land. The lender has no proprietorial rights at all - just a right to call in the loan and force a sale.

System

Only the landowner

Or occupier as the occupier may have acquired rights to manage the land from the landowner via the lease or rental agreement.

Call the council and ask who pays the Non-domestic rates if you want to know the [likely] occupier.