Sick Pay 12 Month Rolling Period

cezairs

Hello All,


My employers sick policy is 30 days full pay followed by 30 days half pay in a rolling 12 month period.


I have had operations -
Jan 2016 - Using 4 weeks / 20 days full pay.
June 2016 - Using 2 weeks 10 days full pay and 4 weeks 20 days half pay
Jan 2017 - Using 2 weeks / 10 days half pay, they extended half pay by 3 weeks 15 days and I had 1 week / 7 days unpaid.
Aug 2017 - Another operation which I will need at least 6 weeks off work. But could be longer repending on recovery.


I have been told I shall get 4 weeks half pay and then nothing.


I cannot get my head around this 12 month rolling period. I have had 53 days sick in the last 12 months, with 21 days of half pay from my entitlement and then a further 15 they gifted me.

Am I being dim ?
When would full pay kick in again ?


I have emailed our HR and the response was -
"I will look at the pay query when I'm in work next; because it is accumulative or is unlikely you will get full pay but I need to check it out thoroughly before responding. I will try and do this ASAP for you so you know what's what"

Thanks for any help. (not normally this ill just a couple of years bad luck - last two ops are hip replacements)

Guest101

I would have thought the rolling period starts from first day of sickness?

dipsy

do you know why they gave you the extra 15 days half pay in January 2017?

Anyway the 12 months will roll back to the first day of sick

so if you went off sick 30/08/17 they will roll back the sick pay till that date in 2016

Something doesn't look quite right

so in January 2017 they looked back to January 2016 - you had used all your full pay sick and all your half pay sick, but they gave you 15 more days half pay and 7 days unpaid (did you get SSP)?

ReadingTim

The 12 month rolling period will be retropsective - ie they will look at what you've had in the previous 12 months when calculating what you're due. Therefore, as of today (31 August 2017), the period in question would be 1 September 2016 - 31 August 2017.

I don't know if this is calculated on a daily basis, or when it's just when the current period of sickness starts/ends (check your company's sickness policy), but for you as of today, full pay won't kick in until January 2018 at the earliest, or August 2018 if the last operation you mention has already happened.

montyrebel

when does your working year start? ie when do your holidays renew, in my job its 1st april, maybe they are taking it as a year from say 1st april - 31st march etc

getmore4less

For a true rolling 12 months you should look at any 12 month period and get upto 30days full + 30days 1/2.


Depending on the actual dates some of the Jan 17 should have been full pay as the jan16 sick rolled out of the 12months.

As of Aug 17 you have had no days on full pay in the previous 12 months so are due 30.

ReadingTim

getmore4less wrote: »

As of Aug 17 you have had no days on full pay in the previous 12 months so are due 30.

Wrong.

In Jan 17 the OP was down to unpaid leave - they'd used up all of their full and half pay sick leave allowance. The "rolling 12 months" is retrospective, so they're not eligible for full pay again until Jan 18 because at any time before then, they will have been off sick within the past 12 months. As the sick leave is cumulative, and they'd used it all up, they wouldn't be entitled to any more.

Furthermore, if they had their Aug 17 operation, and needed at least 6 weeks off, they wouldn't be eligible for full pay again until Aug/September 2018, for the same reason outlined above.

getmore4less

ReadingTim wrote: »

Wrong.

In Jan 17 the OP was down to unpaid leave - they'd used up all of their full and half pay sick leave allowance. The "rolling 12 months" is retrospective, so they're not eligible for full pay again until Jan 18 because at any time before then, they will have been off sick within the past 12 months. As the sick leave is cumulative, and they'd used it all up, they wouldn't be entitled to any more.

Furthermore, if they had their Aug 17 operation, and needed at least 6 weeks off, they wouldn't be eligible for full pay again until Aug/September 2018, for the same reason outlined above.

What you are describing is not a proper 12 month rolling period.

The 12month period end Aug 16 end Aug 17 they have not had the 30 days full pay

TELLIT01

Without full knowledge of your contract and anything in there further explaining qualifying conditions for sick pay it's impossible to give a definitive answer. Any, or none, of the responses could be right.

cezairs

Thank you all for the replies.


I work in a school so not due to be paid till 4th Sept when term starts.


Brief recap-


Neck Operation - Jan 2016
10 days full pay


Gastric Operation - May till July 2016
20 days half pay
19 days half pay


Hip Replacement - Jan till March2017
Half pay =21 days
(employer offered to extend this half pay till 8th March = 25 days)
I then had a further 7 days unpaid.


Hip Replacement 30th Aug 2017
Currently signed off


Wording in my paperwork I have is -
During any period of one year, if you are absent by reason of sickness, you are entitled to sick leave with pay as follows :
Full pay for 30 working days and half pay for 30 working days.


I have today received an email from my HR which has left me further confused -


[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]I’ll try to explain for you…….So your entitlement is 30 days full pay and 30 days half pay then nil pay – so absences starting the 12 months prior to the start date of your new absence gets taken into account and accumulates into the entitlement. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]e.g. you have already had 30 days full pay and 11 days half pay – and this is in the last twelve months. (It may appear you have had pay for longer as holiday breaks are not taken into account).[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]I think why it is hard to understand because (I think!) years ago the absence pay (under old Local Authority rules) used to refresh each twelve month period – but this is not the case now which is why it is a ‘rolling’ twelve months – the ‘rolling’ being all absences are included up to the twelve months prior to the start of the new absence. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]e.g. an employee was absence for Jan / Feb (exhausted full and half pay) in 2000 – then in [FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]2001 [/FONT][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]was absent in March – this would not include the absence in Jan / Feb in 2000 as it exceeds the rolling year. But if they went off in Jan 2001 it would. It’s the best way I can explain it , but I hope you can now see how this is calculated. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,serif][FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]I even confuse myself talking about it! I hope the above explains this better for you.[/FONT][/FONT]

IAmWales

The HR explanation is correct, but you disagree with what you have had in the last twelve months.

you have already had 30 days full pay and 11 days half pay – and this is in the last twelve months.

Is this correct?