Advice regarding zero hour contracts.

Guest101

scd3scd4 wrote: »

Did you miss this..............


My query is this; it was my understanding that a zero hour contract places no obligation on the employer to offer the employee any work, nor does it place any obligation on the employee to accept any work offered by the employer. Should I be able to change my availability relatively freely? - no I didn't miss that. How is that relevant? Yes they can change their availability. An employer cans top offering work.


How about this little nugget..........


There was a similar situation where my work was cancelled the day before I was meant to work with the explanation 'we had overbooked' so surely I should be able to? - Yes the OP can, but again, the employer can just stop offering work

You seem to think this is an equal relationship.


it's not. The employer literally holds all the cards.

scd3scd4

Guest101 wrote: »

You seem to think this is an equal relationship.


it's not. The employer literally holds all the cards.

They are not holding any cards here. They will or they wont accommodate. Either way no Wednesday are being covered by this lady. :rotfl:

stuartJo1989

Chucky1234 wrote: »

That isn't the case. They have a large pool of employees to pick from - too many for all the work available according to others. There is a high staff turnover there - I'm guessing due to situations similar to mine - which looks likely why I was employed.

Then you need to be a bit more diplomatic in your dealings with them if you want to keep the job. If you want Weds off then maybe offer something in return?

No skin up my nose if you end up getting your way despite what I say, or if you end up sacked. I just think you've gotta be a bit more careful than you are being.

But is that not what a zero hour contract is? I'm not messing around and cancelling shifts last minute. Zero hour contracts are popular amongst parents with younger children - who may need time off due to childcare, and students. Both of these would have to change their availability, is that a 'douche' move? If they didn't want people changing their availability, why not give people set hours?

Well, I think you've messed them round a bit by stating that you are available for Weds and then rescinding this after only 6 weeks. Maybe they think that too, who knows?

I'm more imploring you to be a tad more diplomatic in your dealings with them (talking about also forcing them to give you Tuesday off for a work meal doesn't help) if you would like to keep this job....

I'm fully aware of my tax affairs - this isn't the point of my post.

Like I said I appreciate all thoughts but please stop assuming things and judging.

Well, the point of that bit was to suggest that your comment about doing them favours was probably more motivated by your own desire for extra money, more so if you end up on higher tax rates for a 2nd job and have to work more hours to make it worthwhile.

Ultimately, I wish you all the best You have to be careful because they could so easily turn this into a true "zero hour" contract if you find yourself on the wrong side of them.

stuartJo1989

martinsurrey wrote: »

If they needed cover for Wednesday night, they should have hired someone with contracted hours for Wednesday night. They cant use zero hour contracts and then play the "we need you to be fixed in your availability", its a 2 way street, they don't offer firm hours, they cant expect them in return, without THEM being the unreasonable ones.

True!

But OP advised them that they were available on Weds, so there was some sort of initial mutual agreement about this "fixed availability" at the very beginning ....

Even so, bottom line is that OP could be told that there is no further work if they do not follow the "we need you to be fixed in your availability" instructions...

I'm not 100% sure on what OP's ultimate goal is, but I'm assuming that they wish to remain in this 2nd job with a zero hour contract... You have to play the game correctly and your (correct) logic is not always applicable in such circumstances.

haha, a zero hours contract and talk of "we'll LET you have a night off...

As above.

steampowered

getmore4less wrote: »

The great thing with multiple jobs is you get taxed less for the same earning in just one job.

No you don't ...

jobbingmusician

Actually it is possible that you DO. You don't pay NI on each job if you earn less than the threshold.

Guest101

scd3scd4 wrote: »

They are not holding any cards here. They will or they wont accommodate. Either way no Wednesday are being covered by this lady. :rotfl:

No she won't be. Perhaps it's just me but losing your job isn't winning ...

getmore4less

steampowered wrote: »

No you don't ...

Only in very rare high earning cases do you pay more.
Most situation you save 12% unless earning very little in both jobs then it is the same.

scd3scd4

Guest101 wrote: »

No she won't be. Perhaps it's just me but losing your job isn't winning ...

Yep its just you.


You are making more fuss then the Op is. She don't care..........why do you? lol

scd3scd4

stuartJo1989 wrote: »

True!

But OP advised them that they were available on Weds, so there was some sort of initial mutual agreement about this "fixed availability" at the very beginning ....

Even so, bottom line is that OP could be told that there is no further work if they do not follow the "we need you to be fixed in your availability" instructions...

I'm not 100% sure on what OP's ultimate goal is, but I'm assuming that they wish to remain in this 2nd job with a zero hour contract... You have to play the game correctly and your (correct) logic is not always applicable in such circumstances.




As above.

So what..........she changed her mind??


Its a zero contract for a reason.


I thought the goal was pretty plain. She explained it enough if you read her reply's.


She is playing the game on her terms. If they don't like it she has said numerous times they can find someone else.