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Advice regarding zero hour contracts.
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Look, zero hours contracts are essentially the bottom of the barrel.
Nothing you've posted is surprising, and simply put - you are expendable. You have no leverage. So if you don't play ball, you'll be asked to leave the field.
Whether people agree or disagree with your moral stand point isn't relevant.
The point that is relevant is she is not really bothered either way. But is asking for advise on if what she is doing is reasonable or fair. And maybe how to handle or save the situation.
She has plenty leverage they tell her to go and they still have to fill the gaps they reckon are hard to fill. She carries on with life as you did only a few weeks before the job started.
Where's the moral bit............they can offer her no work and she can tell them to poke the job. What we know is she is not working Weds and now its up to them. No one has died!0 -
indeed, but my point was, I thought, quite simple. Whether I think it's fair, or you think it's fair doesn't make any difference if the decision maker doesn't agreeThe point that is relevant is she is not really bothered either way. But is asking for advise on if what she is doing is reasonable or fair. And maybe how to handle or save the situation. - Because we aren't her or his employer? So whatever I feel is reasonable isn't relevant, as im not the employer
She has plenty leverage they tell her to go and they still have to fill the gaps they reckon are hard to fill. She carries on with life as you did only a few weeks ago. - but loses the extra pay? Surely that's the point of getting a 2nd job
Where's the moral bit............they can offer her no work and she can tell them to poke the job. What we know is she is not working Weds and now its up to them. No one has died!0 -
indeed, but my point was, I thought, quite simple. Whether I think it's fair, or you think it's fair doesn't make any difference if the decision maker doesn't agree
I'm not so sure. It's good some people have gave me the law behind it and also made me aware of what the employer can do to 'punish' me, but it has also been good to get other peoples opinion on my situation regarding whether they think it is fair and reasonable or not.0 -
stuartJo1989 wrote: »They accommodated your other job by giving you hours to fit around your job. Then, only 6 weeks later, you are again modifying those restricted hours and throwing a spanner in their ability to plan for cover on Weds night (maybe they hired you because they lacked cover on this day?).
If they needed cover for Wednesday night, they should have hired someone with contracted hours for Wednesday night. They cant use zero hour contracts and then play the "we need you to be fixed in your availability", its a 2 way street, they don't offer firm hours, they cant expect them in return, without THEM being the unreasonable ones.stuartJo1989 wrote: »We'll let you have weds night off".
haha, a zero hours contract and talk of "we'll LET you have a night off...0 -
but loses the extra pay? Surely that's the point of getting a 2nd job
Not at any cost its not! That's the main point the OP has made clear. Its a zero contract in name only.
indeed, but my point was, I thought, quite simple. Whether I think it's fair, or you think it's fair doesn't make any difference if the decision maker doesn't agree
No one is talking about what's fair or not. Its not a moral debating club. Rather the employer will change Weds or they wont. The OP is not working it...........end of story.
They may start with restricted hours or punishment but after a while readdress when they see the sort of worker she is. I would hang in a while to see how things develop. Its costing nothing at the end of the day. If they play hard ball and its all or nothing...............then so be it.0 -
martinsurrey wrote: »If they needed cover for Wednesday night, they should have hired someone with contracted hours for Wednesday night. They cant use zero hour contracts and then play the "we need you to be fixed in your availability", its a 2 way street, they don't offer firm hours, they cant expect them in return, without THEM being the unreasonable ones.
haha, a zero hours contract and talk of "we'll LET you have a night off...
Yep...............just as I see it.0 -
But I didn't claim they would be working? What are you on about?but loses the extra pay? Surely that's the point of getting a 2nd job
Not at any cost its not! That's the main point the OP has made clear. Its a zero contract in name only.
indeed, but my point was, I thought, quite simple. Whether I think it's fair, or you think it's fair doesn't make any difference if the decision maker doesn't agree
No one is talking about what's fair or not. Its not a moral debating club. Rather the employer will change Weds or they wont. The OP is not working it...........end of story.
They may start with restricted hours or punishment but after a while readdress when they see the sort of worker she is. I would hang in a while to see how things develop. Its costing nothing at the end of the day. If they play hard ball and its all or nothing...............then so be it.
Look if I ran a company and one of my workers let me down, I could choose to offer no more work. We all agree on that. That is all I was saying.
My point was simply that the opinions of strangers on the internet are worthless and only the opinion of the employer matters.0 -
Look if I ran a company and one of my workers let me down, I could choose to offer no more work. We all agree on that. That is all I was saying.
My point was simply that the opinions of strangers on the internet are worthless and only the opinion of the employer matters.
She is not letting anyone down for crying out loud. Its a zero contract......what are you talking about!
That's what you are saying.............but not what some of us are saying or agreeing with.0 -
Did you miss this..............
My query is this; it was my understanding that a zero hour contract places no obligation on the employer to offer the employee any work, nor does it place any obligation on the employee to accept any work offered by the employer. Should I be able to change my availability relatively freely?
How about this little nugget..........
There was a similar situation where my work was cancelled the day before I was meant to work with the explanation 'we had overbooked' so surely I should be able to?
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I'm still not clear why you think I'm wrong but ok....She is not letting anyone down for crying out loud. Its a zero contract......what are you talking about! - but as an employer I would feel let down. And it wouldn't matter what you, or anyone else thought, as what is and isn't fair is entirely down to me.
That's what you are saying.............but not what some of us are saying or agreeing with.0
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