Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Well if those 30,000 hotel nights are allocated to tourists who were previously being blocked from London by those pesky visitors to the EMA we'll be quids in. Fantasy economics of course.

I don't know about anyone else but I stay in much nicer places on business than I can afford to on holiday.

In all seriousness why the concern. Over the past few decades the UK has sold major companies, airports, ports, utilities, motorways, hotels, office blocks, national lotteries and so on to overseas investors and Governments. Suddenly with Brexit there's panic. Yet the real damage has already been done and with it much of our ability to generate wealth. As the profit from ownership of
assets flows abroad.

Zero_Gravitas

Fella wrote: »

Why bother, nobody will care? All you've done since Remain lost the vote is talk down the country & rejoice in everything that looks like it might mean a worse deal for the UK. Do you actually WANT the UK to get a terrible deal? Everything you post suggests you do. A bit weird if I'm honest, presuming you live here.

The only weird thing here is your continued refusal to accept that the best possible deal we can get is the one we have now, and whatever deal we get will to leave must inevitably be worse than what we have now. Why on earth would you want to support that - it's not rational.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

The only weird thing here is your continued refusal to accept that the best possible deal we can get is the one we have now

What deal is that?

lush_walrus

ilovehouses wrote: »

Like I said it was a generalisation. It would've been less provocative to say the burden will fall on the young however they voted.

You might have noticed a lot of moaning but people are getting on with their lives at the same time. I've done plenty of moaning but it hasn't got in the way of making the best of it.

As an employer you'll realise that no matter how enthusiastic you are about Brexit it has and will increase uncertainty for years ahead.

It's not about getting on with it though, it's about reflecting on why the UK do not have people with the qualifications they need to have. Why we do not have a motivated workforce. What we can do to change that. Getting on with it will not move the UK out of its rut.

We are a very lazy now and walk around with an entitled attitude. Some can't even be bothered to get dressed to drop their children at school. There are parents who would rather fight for their rights to go on a cheap term time package holiday than to spend time doing homework with their children. All of that needs to change.

Similary, businesses need to help the young, inspire them and teach them useful skills.

As an employer I see many things affecting businesses stability and long term forecasting. Brexit has not brought any further long term instability than was already there. Anyone who has run a small or medium size business will not have the benefit of ever being able to sit back and relax and feel stable. Small to medium businesses are volatile. But equally that volatility can be used to the advantage and allows a smaller business to react fast to change. So no, no change in uncertainty for us.

LHW99

it's about reflecting on why the UK do not have people with the qualifications they need to have

Anyone who has run a small or medium size business will not have the benefit of ever being able to sit back and relax and feel stable. Small to medium businesses are volatile. But equally that volatility can be used to the advantage and allows a smaller business to react fast to change. So no, no change in uncertainty for us.

I do so agree.

Zero_Gravitas

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What deal is that?

The deal we have now.

Which just for clarity is being members of the European Union on our current terms.

Not like you to be so slow on the uptake - unless you're doing it deliberately :-)

Fella

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

The only weird thing here is your continued refusal to accept that the best possible deal we can get is the one we have now, and whatever deal we get will to leave must inevitably be worse than what we have now. Why on earth would you want to support that - it's not rational.

What are you basing that on?

Why do you think a trading agreement that makes it more difficult to deal with 5/6ths of the countries in the world - and carries a bunch of demands you must adhere to to belong to it - is "the best possible deal we can get"?

Especially when that trade agreement is with an economic basket-case like the EU, which everybody knows has to continually kick the can down the road just to avoid imploding?

Even more so when you factor in that most of the other countries in that trade agreement hold us in low regard & literally none of them have our interests at heart, they all (correctly) have their own interests at heart.

I think it's a sh*t deal we can easily beat.

Buck up & have a bit of confidence in your country. If the limit of your ambition is "we can't leave this trade agreement with these 27 countries because if we do they'll be mean to us". Then you haven't got a lot of ambition.

Zero_Gravitas

Fella wrote: »

What are you basing that on?

Why do you think a trading agreement that makes it more difficult to deal with 5/6ths of the countries in the world - and carries a bunch of demands you must adhere to to belong to it - is "the best possible deal we can get"?

Especially when that trade agreement is with an economic basket-case like the EU, which everybody knows has to continually kick the can down the road just to avoid imploding?

Even more so when you factor in that most of the other countries in that trade agreement hold us in low regard & literally none of them have our interests at heart, they all (correctly) have their own interests at heart.

I think it's a sh*t deal we can easily beat.

Buck up & have a bit of confidence in your country. If the limit of your ambition is "we can't leave this trade agreement with these 27 countries because if we do they'll be mean to us". Then you haven't got a lot of ambition.

I've got plenty of ambition, thank you. It's just that in my thirty plus years of working in large multinational organisations, have led me to the conclusion that we will be better off as part of the European Union than outside of it.

And I have plenty of confidence in my country. I'm confident that the country is beginning to see that the entire Brexit campaign is classic "emperor's new clothes" and that we will back away from the massive act of national self harm the brexiteers seem intent on inflicting on us.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

The deal we have now.

Which just for clarity is being members of the European Union on our current terms.

Not like you to be so slow on the uptake - unless you're doing it deliberately :-)

Not being obtrusive. The current state of affairs isn't a "deal" as such. As the UK holds relatively little sway other than financial. Never been close to the German\French axis which dominates much of the political thinking within the EU. Over the coming months I'd expect to see plenty of rhetoric from certain quarters of the Brussels elite. Though this is far from representative of the whole.

Cakeguts

Someone has to be the first to leave a sinking ship which is what the EU is. It might as well be the UK. Better to be first than to be left until it all collapses. Which it will. Brussels makes rules and then doesn't stick to them. How did Greece become a member? Bending rules will do for it eventually.